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What does a "roof" have to do with internet content you pay for? Answer: nothing! Their 4k plan wording: "Watch on 4 supported devices at a time" OK - I pay

What does a "roof" have to do with internet content you pay for? Answer: nothing! Their 4k plan wording: "Watch on 4 supported devices at a time" OK - I pay them, we use up to 4 supported devices at a time. End of story! What's next, you can't get a 4-line cell phone plan unless all 4 lines are "under the same roof"? Makes just about the same amount of sense! The "live together" limitation is being added for "business" reasons to charge more for the same service. There's no way to get 4K without paying for 4 simultaneous screens, but they're making a new limitation so you have to pay for 8 simultaneous screens to still get 4k if there's a second roof involved. Give me a 1 stream, 4K plan for $10/month and I'll be happy to pay for a second plan for my in-laws (who watch 1 or 2 episode a week)!

tptacek 4y ago
As Netflix is making clear, you're not paying for 4 households to use their service, but rather 4 devices within the household. There's a lot of gaslighting going on here: in the main, people who were sharing their Netflix accounts with their parents, siblings across town (cough), LDRs, and kids at college knew they were stretching the limits of what these services intended. If they weren't, there wouldn't be a name ("password sharing") for the phenomenon.
- neogodless 4y ago
  Correct. Netflix is making it clear that while they created a 4K, 4-stream plan, and millions subscribed to it, they've changed the terms to add physical geography limitations to an internet content plan. They've changed the terms, and people on the wrong end of that change are unhappy with the change, with good reason. It's not gaslighting to have situations where you pay for something under terms of a contract, and the contract changes. Why are you all for Netflix's term change? It seems like it's worse for consumers, and I fall into the "consumer" bucket, so I dislike it. Are you suggesting consumers suck it up, keep their mouths shut, and submit to corporate overlords? Or are we allowed to complain that the terms of the agreement have been altered, and we'd like them to please not alter them further. And I'm not saying they can't make the change. Just that it is clearly worse for me. If it's enforced, the change in value proposition will be significant enough that I will opt out of it. We're a family without kids, but with in-laws. Why should kids living at home with lots of screens be favored by Netflix over a family like mine? Either way, I pay for the number of simultaneous screens, as per the previous version of the agreement. Ah yes - they want to squeeze more money out of my particular family arrangement. I feel entitled to complain about it, and take this change in contract as an opportunity to end it.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    Since at least 2019, Netflix has been saying they were going to crack down on password sharing. People who truly believed Netflix was offering them a four household plan for $20/mo have had over 3 years to cancel. Personally, I don't think anybody reasonably believed that was what the plan meant, but either way. Of course the new enforcement is worse for everybody who was exploiting it this way. Any enforcement would be worse for somebody.
    - arepublicadoceu 4y ago
      > Personally, I don't think anybody reasonably believed that was what the plan meant, but either way. Hey, it's me. A person that reasonably believed that 4 simultaneous screens meant 4 simultaneous screens. Not 4 simultaneous screens on the same household. I guess, Ask me anything?
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    - yreg 4y ago
      Do you think I should buy another Netflix plan for the Tesla, or does it live together with me in the same household?
- ryandrake 4y ago
  "Household" seems to be such an arbitrary and fuzzy line to draw. What's a household? If I live in a duplex with my extended family living in the unit next to me, should I be able to share an account with them? They're under the same roof, but with a different address. What about people living in a guest house? Same property address, different roof. What about roommates living in the same house, with a single living room? What about roommates living in the same house, but in an entirely separate living space on another floor? What about a communal dorm that shares kitchen/bathroom facilities among many students, but have separate sleeping spaces? Does it matter if the roommates are related or unrelated? If any of these make a difference, why does Netflix care where your walls and roof are, or what the layout of your home is, or who's living with who?

tptacek 4y ago

As Netflix is making clear, you're not paying for 4 households to use their service, but rather 4 devices within the household. There's a lot of gaslighting going on here: in the main, people who were sharing their Netflix accounts with their parents, siblings across town (cough), LDRs, and kids at college knew they were stretching the limits of what these services intended. If they weren't, there wouldn't be a name ("password sharing") for the phenomenon.

neogodless 4y ago
Correct. Netflix is making it clear that while they created a 4K, 4-stream plan, and millions subscribed to it, they've changed the terms to add physical geography limitations to an internet content plan. They've changed the terms, and people on the wrong end of that change are unhappy with the change, with good reason. It's not gaslighting to have situations where you pay for something under terms of a contract, and the contract changes. Why are you all for Netflix's term change? It seems like it's worse for consumers, and I fall into the "consumer" bucket, so I dislike it. Are you suggesting consumers suck it up, keep their mouths shut, and submit to corporate overlords? Or are we allowed to complain that the terms of the agreement have been altered, and we'd like them to please not alter them further. And I'm not saying they can't make the change. Just that it is clearly worse for me. If it's enforced, the change in value proposition will be significant enough that I will opt out of it. We're a family without kids, but with in-laws. Why should kids living at home with lots of screens be favored by Netflix over a family like mine? Either way, I pay for the number of simultaneous screens, as per the previous version of the agreement. Ah yes - they want to squeeze more money out of my particular family arrangement. I feel entitled to complain about it, and take this change in contract as an opportunity to end it.
- tptacek 4y ago
  Since at least 2019, Netflix has been saying they were going to crack down on password sharing. People who truly believed Netflix was offering them a four household plan for $20/mo have had over 3 years to cancel. Personally, I don't think anybody reasonably believed that was what the plan meant, but either way. Of course the new enforcement is worse for everybody who was exploiting it this way. Any enforcement would be worse for somebody.
  - arepublicadoceu 4y ago
    > Personally, I don't think anybody reasonably believed that was what the plan meant, but either way. Hey, it's me. A person that reasonably believed that 4 simultaneous screens meant 4 simultaneous screens. Not 4 simultaneous screens on the same household. I guess, Ask me anything?
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  - yreg 4y ago
    Do you think I should buy another Netflix plan for the Tesla, or does it live together with me in the same household?
ryandrake 4y ago
"Household" seems to be such an arbitrary and fuzzy line to draw. What's a household? If I live in a duplex with my extended family living in the unit next to me, should I be able to share an account with them? They're under the same roof, but with a different address. What about people living in a guest house? Same property address, different roof. What about roommates living in the same house, with a single living room? What about roommates living in the same house, but in an entirely separate living space on another floor? What about a communal dorm that shares kitchen/bathroom facilities among many students, but have separate sleeping spaces? Does it matter if the roommates are related or unrelated? If any of these make a difference, why does Netflix care where your walls and roof are, or what the layout of your home is, or who's living with who?