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I'd say the extreme vast majority of urban dwellers https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Average_distance_per_person_per_day

I'd say the extreme vast majority of urban dwellers https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Average_distance_per_person_per_day_(kilometres)_v3.png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

brailsafe 4y ago
Maybe suburban, but Germany from what I've seen is still pretty car-centric.
- lm28469 4y ago
  Oh for sure, but most of them don't need a 5 seats 2+ tonnes car that can do 700km on a single charge because most of them do <20km per day and travel alone
- dagw 4y ago
  I'm guessing Germany, like most countries, is pretty bimodal when it comes to the driving distribution. The people I know in downtown Berlin or Hamburg average around 0 km a day. The people I know in small rural towns way off in the eastern parts of Germany easily drive 100+ km many days a week.
  - brailsafe 4y ago
    My initial impression of Berlin was similar. If I lived there, no shot I'd drive, but it still seems somewhat car-centric with various historical grand boulevards and so on. Maybe the west side is worse or my opinion os coloured a bit by Amsterdam dominating.
petodo 4y ago
For such short distanec it's better to use public transport without wasting money on single purpose car which can't be used as family car to travel anywhere.
- lm28469 4y ago
  I won't argue against that, the problem is that most of them already use a car, a smaller EV would definitely be much better than a big ICE vehicle or a big EV
  - lelanthran 4y ago
    > I won't argue against that, the problem is that most of them already use a car, a smaller EV would definitely be much better than a big ICE vehicle or a big EV Sure, they already have a car, but most people won't replace their car with something that doesn't already fit the use-cases their current car fits. IOW, I don't think this is a replacement for current cars, it's a replacement for electric scooters, ebikes, motorcycles, current subcompact (citroen ami, for example) and public transport use.
- lost_tourist 4y ago
  A lot of people know their cities will never provide proper public transport tho. It's currently only possible in the USA if we become an authoritarian country because there is no public will for it.

brailsafe 4y ago

Maybe suburban, but Germany from what I've seen is still pretty car-centric.

lm28469 4y ago
Oh for sure, but most of them don't need a 5 seats 2+ tonnes car that can do 700km on a single charge because most of them do <20km per day and travel alone
dagw 4y ago
I'm guessing Germany, like most countries, is pretty bimodal when it comes to the driving distribution. The people I know in downtown Berlin or Hamburg average around 0 km a day. The people I know in small rural towns way off in the eastern parts of Germany easily drive 100+ km many days a week.
- brailsafe 4y ago
  My initial impression of Berlin was similar. If I lived there, no shot I'd drive, but it still seems somewhat car-centric with various historical grand boulevards and so on. Maybe the west side is worse or my opinion os coloured a bit by Amsterdam dominating.

petodo 4y ago

For such short distanec it's better to use public transport without wasting money on single purpose car which can't be used as family car to travel anywhere.

lm28469 4y ago
I won't argue against that, the problem is that most of them already use a car, a smaller EV would definitely be much better than a big ICE vehicle or a big EV
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > I won't argue against that, the problem is that most of them already use a car, a smaller EV would definitely be much better than a big ICE vehicle or a big EV Sure, they already have a car, but most people won't replace their car with something that doesn't already fit the use-cases their current car fits. IOW, I don't think this is a replacement for current cars, it's a replacement for electric scooters, ebikes, motorcycles, current subcompact (citroen ami, for example) and public transport use.
lost_tourist 4y ago
A lot of people know their cities will never provide proper public transport tho. It's currently only possible in the USA if we become an authoritarian country because there is no public will for it.