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It bothers me that people argue so poorly. That's why debate exists. And why some people excel at podcasts Joe Rogan being an examplar. His best debates have

It bothers me that people argue so poorly. That's why debate exists. And why some people excel at podcasts Joe Rogan being an examplar. His best debates have very similar formats. "Tell me about"/"why do you think" "What about X" "So you're saying Y?" "Wouldn't that mean Z" People are bothered because he rarely ever seems to shoot others down just gets them to lay out their points and fleshout reasoning. The only time he shoots you down is if he thinks you don't have an explanation around some aspects of your point. But his job is done the audience can make up its own mind.

Cthulhu_ 4y ago
That's the mark of a good host (or debater), instead of arguing directly (confrontational), they encourage the other party to think. You don't win a debate with arguments and counter-arguments, you win it by letting the other person come to and change their own conclusions.
badcppdev 4y ago
You seem to be stating that Joe Rogan's 'best debates' aren't debates so much as interviews. I'm bothered that you describe that as a debate.
- psychphysic 4y ago
  You're nicely applying the JRE method here. The problem is that the other definition of 'debate' is competitive and people have interests to appear correct more than to be correct.
  - badcppdev 4y ago
    To follow the spirit of the original linked article I will choose to accept that a debate can be defined as a conversation where one person presents their ideas and another person listens and asks clarifying questions in a generally non-argumentative manner. With the JRE you seem to be saying that the guest is arguing that their ideas are correct and JR is arguing the negative but only through the use of questions and occasional direct counters to the guests argument. Seems like a debate to me although also fits the definition of an interview.
    - psychphysic 4y ago
      It's not dissimilar from the socratic method. But he leaves the direct criticism to the audience. He will almost never use the phrases "I don't think that's correct" or similar. Louis Theroux?
      - badcppdev 4y ago
        I always thought the socratic method was where somebody (Socrates) was teaching something to a student. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that doesn't seem right for describing the JRE But I think Louis Theroux has a not dissimilar style. (Unless you're asking me if I'm Louis... I'm not)

Cthulhu_ 4y ago

That's the mark of a good host (or debater), instead of arguing directly (confrontational), they encourage the other party to think. You don't win a debate with arguments and counter-arguments, you win it by letting the other person come to and change their own conclusions.

badcppdev 4y ago

You seem to be stating that Joe Rogan's 'best debates' aren't debates so much as interviews. I'm bothered that you describe that as a debate.

psychphysic 4y ago
You're nicely applying the JRE method here. The problem is that the other definition of 'debate' is competitive and people have interests to appear correct more than to be correct.
- badcppdev 4y ago
  To follow the spirit of the original linked article I will choose to accept that a debate can be defined as a conversation where one person presents their ideas and another person listens and asks clarifying questions in a generally non-argumentative manner. With the JRE you seem to be saying that the guest is arguing that their ideas are correct and JR is arguing the negative but only through the use of questions and occasional direct counters to the guests argument. Seems like a debate to me although also fits the definition of an interview.
  - psychphysic 4y ago
    It's not dissimilar from the socratic method. But he leaves the direct criticism to the audience. He will almost never use the phrases "I don't think that's correct" or similar. Louis Theroux?
    - badcppdev 4y ago
      I always thought the socratic method was where somebody (Socrates) was teaching something to a student. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that doesn't seem right for describing the JRE But I think Louis Theroux has a not dissimilar style. (Unless you're asking me if I'm Louis... I'm not)