Clickbaity way to say it, but yes, I like to "lose debates" in the way Sivers describes here. For the same reason, I'm very tolerant of rudeness and disrespect

Clickbaity way to say it, but yes, I like to "lose debates" in the way Sivers describes here. For the same reason, I'm very tolerant of rudeness and disrespect if and when it comes with an insight that makes my understanding of something click. Also for the same reason I like to say, "Don't tell me I'm wrong; instead, improve my worldmodel to the point that you no longer have to, because the wrongness will be obvious." But I'm not sure that what Sivers describes here is coterminous with "losing a debate". Rather, it's just one way you might "lose a debate". In practice, losing a debate more often looks something more like: 1) The other side stubbornly refuses to engage with your point while effectively signaling you're a bad person despite endorsing the same tradeoffs you do. [B] 2) The other side points being so muddled that you can't untangle what they're disagreeing with or what makes your point wrong, but they speak with that confidence that everyone wants to agree with them. [A] I don't like losing a debate those ways. [A] Example of this kind of misdirection from Thank You For Smoking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuaHRN7UhRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuaHRN7UhRo [B] Recent example from HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33900804 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33900804