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I didn't ignore that, but chose to focus on the fact that other commenters have seemed to ignore all the problematic lines lines completely surrounding those th

I didn't ignore that, but chose to focus on the fact that other commenters have seemed to ignore all the problematic lines lines completely surrounding those three words. There can be only willing advances between the person making the advancing and the the person it is advanced on, but in the completely wrong environment can affect everyone else who has to be in an environment who has to be in the same environment. These surrounding lines spell out how such behavior affects everyone else. A later comment by the professor makes explicit the harm being done: > Even worse, some women in the class seem oblivious to this or don't care, while the majority of them are insulted and hurt by this.

lelanthran 4y ago
> but in the completely wrong environment [welcome advances] can affect everyone else who has to be in an environment who has to be in the same environment. Well, honestly, I dunno what to say - people who are getting mad that their peers are hooking up can't very well petition[1] to stop other people from hooking up. > A later comment by the professor makes explicit the harm being done: >> Even worse, some women in the class seem oblivious to this or don't care, while the majority of them are insulted and hurt by this. So? That's just a different way of saying "People who don't get dates get hurt and angry". We already know that. We also know that the professor in this case doesn't know that the majority of them are insulted and hurt, because the professor in this case did not actually do a survey of the class. After all, even if only 49% of the class are oblivious or happy with the arrangement, that doesn't scream to me "Something wrong is going on here". [1] Well, they can but then they look stupid.
- jhanschoo 4y ago
  You're still being blind to everything else that happens as a precondition to auditing students making advances to attractive students, if you think that > That's just a different way of saying "People who don't get dates get hurt and angry". We already know that. Perhaps I should spell out one aspect of it. These auditing students have to survey and evaluate the female students taking the class for their attractiveness. It's uncomfortable and distracting to receive such attention when you are in an environment that's primarily for academic learning. Now, I'll admit that perhaps this is only mildly uncomfortable. But as I said in my original comment, the likely result of students taking things into their own hands would be to just take a less preferred course that they feel more comfortable in with respect to sexual attention.

lelanthran 4y ago

> but in the completely wrong environment [welcome advances] can affect everyone else who has to be in an environment who has to be in the same environment. Well, honestly, I dunno what to say - people who are getting mad that their peers are hooking up can't very well petition[1] to stop other people from hooking up. > A later comment by the professor makes explicit the harm being done: >> Even worse, some women in the class seem oblivious to this or don't care, while the majority of them are insulted and hurt by this. So? That's just a different way of saying "People who don't get dates get hurt and angry". We already know that. We also know that the professor in this case doesn't know that the majority of them are insulted and hurt, because the professor in this case did not actually do a survey of the class. After all, even if only 49% of the class are oblivious or happy with the arrangement, that doesn't scream to me "Something wrong is going on here". [1] Well, they can but then they look stupid.

jhanschoo 4y ago
You're still being blind to everything else that happens as a precondition to auditing students making advances to attractive students, if you think that > That's just a different way of saying "People who don't get dates get hurt and angry". We already know that. Perhaps I should spell out one aspect of it. These auditing students have to survey and evaluate the female students taking the class for their attractiveness. It's uncomfortable and distracting to receive such attention when you are in an environment that's primarily for academic learning. Now, I'll admit that perhaps this is only mildly uncomfortable. But as I said in my original comment, the likely result of students taking things into their own hands would be to just take a less preferred course that they feel more comfortable in with respect to sexual attention.