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2020 data is totally wrecked because of Covid. Check the 2019 data for comparison. Average is 39%. NY was 54%, WMATA was 39%. https://www.transit.dot.gov/sites

2020 data is totally wrecked because of Covid. Check the 2019 data for comparison. Average is 39%. NY was 54%, WMATA was 39%. https://www.transit.dot.gov/sites/fta.dot.gov/files/2020-11/2019%20Top%2050%20Profiles%20Report.pdf https://www.transit.dot.gov/sites/fta.dot.gov/files/2020-11/...

woodruffw 4y ago
Thanks! I’ll note that that’s still a far cry from half, but it’s certainly more favorable than 24%. (NY’s 54% number is probably because of mixing of different fareboxes: recovery is much higher on the LIRR and MNRR than it is on the city buses and subways.)
- arcticbull 4y ago
  Incidentally broken out at [1], the 2019 MTA recovery rates were: - MTA heavy rail was 70%. - Commuter rail was 55%. - Commuter bus was 32%. - BRT and Bus was 30%. [1] https://www.enotrans.org/article/the-mass-transit-fiscal-cliff-estimating-the-size-and-scope-of-the-problem/ https://www.enotrans.org/article/the-mass-transit-fiscal-cli...
Retric 4y ago
That 39% is for all transit Bus is 19.7% Nationally and 13.6% for WMATA. Nationally in millions, Bus: (Fare Revenues 3,778) / (Operating expenses 16,110.4 + Use of capital funds 3,0444.7) = 19.7%. They also break out Bus Rapid Transit which is much worse 16.1 / (166.1 + 51.7) = 7.4% as is Commuter Bus 57.9 / (597.7 + 170.7) = 7.5% Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority, Bus: $124,011,141 / ( $731,946,008 + $182,850,687 ) = 13.6% So for WMATA forgoing Bus revenue wouldn’t move the needle very much. PS: And that’s ignoring the overhead of collecting fairs. Not only are some operating expenses devoted to collecting fairs, busses can move faster if people aren’t stopping and fiddling with payment.
- cinntaile 4y ago
  That's a solved problem, don't allow paying on the bus and require them to buy their ticket beforehand.
  - Retric 4y ago
    The driver or buss still needs to verify your ticket. Compare a line of 20 people all try to get on and swipe a metro card vs a line of 20 people all trying to get on. Even collage busses where all people need to do is show school ID you still get people in line who suddenly can’t find their ID.
    - cinntaile 4y ago
      A public transport bus usually has several entrances, you can have a machine inside the bus at each entrance. Not everyone will play nice and pay if the bus driver doesn't check the ticket, but you could have random controls on the bus from time to time. In practice you of course have to weigh the costs of these different approaches.

woodruffw 4y ago

Thanks! I’ll note that that’s still a far cry from half, but it’s certainly more favorable than 24%. (NY’s 54% number is probably because of mixing of different fareboxes: recovery is much higher on the LIRR and MNRR than it is on the city buses and subways.)

arcticbull 4y ago
Incidentally broken out at [1], the 2019 MTA recovery rates were: - MTA heavy rail was 70%. - Commuter rail was 55%. - Commuter bus was 32%. - BRT and Bus was 30%. [1] https://www.enotrans.org/article/the-mass-transit-fiscal-cliff-estimating-the-size-and-scope-of-the-problem/ https://www.enotrans.org/article/the-mass-transit-fiscal-cli...

Retric 4y ago

That 39% is for all transit Bus is 19.7% Nationally and 13.6% for WMATA. Nationally in millions, Bus: (Fare Revenues 3,778) / (Operating expenses 16,110.4 + Use of capital funds 3,0444.7) = 19.7%. They also break out Bus Rapid Transit which is much worse 16.1 / (166.1 + 51.7) = 7.4% as is Commuter Bus 57.9 / (597.7 + 170.7) = 7.5% Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority, Bus: $124,011,141 / ( $731,946,008 + $182,850,687 ) = 13.6% So for WMATA forgoing Bus revenue wouldn’t move the needle very much. PS: And that’s ignoring the overhead of collecting fairs. Not only are some operating expenses devoted to collecting fairs, busses can move faster if people aren’t stopping and fiddling with payment.

cinntaile 4y ago
That's a solved problem, don't allow paying on the bus and require them to buy their ticket beforehand.
- Retric 4y ago
  The driver or buss still needs to verify your ticket. Compare a line of 20 people all try to get on and swipe a metro card vs a line of 20 people all trying to get on. Even collage busses where all people need to do is show school ID you still get people in line who suddenly can’t find their ID.
  - cinntaile 4y ago
    A public transport bus usually has several entrances, you can have a machine inside the bus at each entrance. Not everyone will play nice and pay if the bus driver doesn't check the ticket, but you could have random controls on the bus from time to time. In practice you of course have to weigh the costs of these different approaches.