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... okay, the whole point is that the same excuse can be used for a necessary universe, one that came into existence and was its own first cause, unmoved mover
by drsnow 4y ago
... okay, the whole point is that the same excuse can be used for a necessary universe, one that came into existence and was its own first cause, unmoved mover
- bandie91 4y agookay but if the universe is the first cause and the universe is material (matter, energy, etc, everything "measurable"), then where the non-material things come from? purpose, logic, natural laws
- drsnow 4y agothey come from human perception being limited to that which is useful for survival. purpose and logic are ways humans try to understand and be able to predict outcomes. natural laws are merely the human description of its perception of the intrinsic mechanics of the universe. none of these things, purpose, logic, or natural laws, is prescriptive for the universe, they're descriptive
- bandie91 4y agowill, intellect, truth values, causality, logical principals, about-ness, universales. are these, are everything concievable just emergent properties in your view? are not they real apart from material things?