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Ask HN: professional gmail alternatives

13 points by hasenj 15y ago

Dear HN, A few days ago, some incident happened (I won't go into details) and my gmail account got suspended. It's back for now, but I want to move out. Free won't do it for me anymore. I want something reliable. I'd rather pay for an email provider rather than depend on google. I can't afford to have my main email in the hands of a provider who reserves the right to suspend my account any time for any reason without even warning me first. Paypal, and my bank, communicate with me through email. Also, I put my email on my resume. You get the idea. Of course, having an email provider I can rely on is very important. Any recommendations? Of course, it has be ajaxy and all that cool stuff.

skbohra123 15y ago
You can better setup a mail server for yourself.
thesunny 15y ago
Fusemail is a good solution and is only $2/month per mailbox.
madao 15y ago
Just jump onto ec2 and run your own mail server for pittance.
- dangrossman 15y ago
  Deliverability will be terrible. EC2 is a haven for spam so it's constantly turning up in blacklists. Running an SMTP server on a cloud provider is not smart.
gierach 15y ago
I asked a similar question a few months ago and got mostly the same answers as you. Most people here seem content dealing with the lack of cool Gmail interface stuff and opt to host their own. Someone needs to build a slick gmaily interface that can be plopped on a web server to use your self-hosted email. Bonus points for adding an XMPP chat client so you can use GTalk and see when your contacts are online. If nothing else, web hosting providers would buy this from you to offer their customers.
cyrus_ 15y ago
You can host your own mail server (on a cloud server if you don't want to worry about power outages and such) and use Gmail as a POP client, instead of using the gmail address as your email address directly.
- hasenj 15y ago
  Hm, sounds like the most reasonable thing to do. Thanks! I've never setup my own mail server before. Any guide/tutorial you recommend?
- kabr 15y ago
  To my knowledge, gmail always includes is own headers when sending mail, so it doesn't appear to be from your server, rather, it's from your domain VIA gmail. Is there's a way around this and use gmail as a local pop-client?
dholowiski 15y ago
Whatever the solution, buy your own domain name, and point the MX records to whatever you end up choosing. Then you really own your email address, and even if you have to jump from one server to another, at least you won't ever have to change your identity. I'm still happy with Gmail (google apps standard edition with my own domain name, but basically still gmail) but I've used fastmail.fm in the past and it's great.
jolan 15y ago
http://fastmail.fm/ http://fastmail.fm/ has been around for 10 years and are very reliable.
- hasenj 15y ago
  How's their interface like? They have no screenshots at all, and it makes me weary a bit.
  - ohgodthecat 15y ago
    Nothing to write home about but it is functional, and there are some useful features like Rules to apply to incoming mail. Sign up for the free account the interface is the same last I checked. Here are some screenshots provided by other sites: http://blogs.sitepointstatic.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/lists/webmail/fastmail.png http://blogs.sitepointstatic.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/lis... http://www.emailserviceguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/FastMail.png http://www.emailserviceguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/...
blakdawg 15y ago
I would go with Fastmail if you want someone else to host it - but if your email is very important to you, you should be running your own server, or hosting with someone you know and trust on a personal basis. Anything else is susceptible to the "scary letter" attack where they threaten your service provider with something awful, and the service provider shuts you down because it's easier to lose a non-paying (or $10/month) customer than it is to deal with some pissed-off law firm or transnational corp.
- dangrossman 15y ago
  As long as you control the domain, that's really not very scary. Use IMAP so you always have a copy of your own mail on a computer somewhere, even if you also choose to access it over webmail/Gmail/whatever. If some provider shuts you down, open up somewhere else and you're back as fast as DNS caches expire. Running your own POP/IMAP server is simple, running your own SMTP server and keeping delivery reliable creates a bunch of extra work.
dangrossman 15y ago
Rackspace Mail. http://www.rackspace.com/apps/email_hosting/rackspace_email/ http://www.rackspace.com/apps/email_hosting/rackspace_email/ SLA-guaranteed reliability, 24x7x365 support. Can't ask for more, and it's only $2 per mailbox. People telling you to just throw up your own server are only giving you half the story. Just installing the software isn't even half the work to creating a setup that actually gets your outbound mail delivered reliably, then monitoring the RBL status of your server. It's a full time job, pay someone a few bucks to do it.
- gmcabrita 15y ago
  Do they provide two factor authentication?
  - dangrossman 15y ago
    No.
- dholowiski 15y ago
  Minimum 5 mailboxes ($10). Still, cheap.
bmelton 15y ago
At the risk of stating the obvious, you can pay Google for their corporate email. Last I checked it was $50 a person per user on the domain, and you get all the benefits of being an actual Google customer.

13 points by hasenj 15y ago

skbohra123 15y ago

You can better setup a mail server for yourself.

thesunny 15y ago

Fusemail is a good solution and is only $2/month per mailbox.

madao 15y ago

Just jump onto ec2 and run your own mail server for pittance.

dangrossman 15y ago
Deliverability will be terrible. EC2 is a haven for spam so it's constantly turning up in blacklists. Running an SMTP server on a cloud provider is not smart.

gierach 15y ago

I asked a similar question a few months ago and got mostly the same answers as you. Most people here seem content dealing with the lack of cool Gmail interface stuff and opt to host their own. Someone needs to build a slick gmaily interface that can be plopped on a web server to use your self-hosted email. Bonus points for adding an XMPP chat client so you can use GTalk and see when your contacts are online. If nothing else, web hosting providers would buy this from you to offer their customers.

cyrus_ 15y ago

You can host your own mail server (on a cloud server if you don't want to worry about power outages and such) and use Gmail as a POP client, instead of using the gmail address as your email address directly.

hasenj 15y ago
Hm, sounds like the most reasonable thing to do. Thanks! I've never setup my own mail server before. Any guide/tutorial you recommend?
kabr 15y ago
To my knowledge, gmail always includes is own headers when sending mail, so it doesn't appear to be from your server, rather, it's from your domain VIA gmail. Is there's a way around this and use gmail as a local pop-client?

dholowiski 15y ago

Whatever the solution, buy your own domain name, and point the MX records to whatever you end up choosing. Then you really own your email address, and even if you have to jump from one server to another, at least you won't ever have to change your identity. I'm still happy with Gmail (google apps standard edition with my own domain name, but basically still gmail) but I've used fastmail.fm in the past and it's great.

jolan 15y ago

http://fastmail.fm/ http://fastmail.fm/ has been around for 10 years and are very reliable.

hasenj 15y ago
How's their interface like? They have no screenshots at all, and it makes me weary a bit.
- ohgodthecat 15y ago
  Nothing to write home about but it is functional, and there are some useful features like Rules to apply to incoming mail. Sign up for the free account the interface is the same last I checked. Here are some screenshots provided by other sites: http://blogs.sitepointstatic.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/lists/webmail/fastmail.png http://blogs.sitepointstatic.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/lis... http://www.emailserviceguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/FastMail.png http://www.emailserviceguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/...

blakdawg 15y ago

I would go with Fastmail if you want someone else to host it - but if your email is very important to you, you should be running your own server, or hosting with someone you know and trust on a personal basis. Anything else is susceptible to the "scary letter" attack where they threaten your service provider with something awful, and the service provider shuts you down because it's easier to lose a non-paying (or $10/month) customer than it is to deal with some pissed-off law firm or transnational corp.

dangrossman 15y ago
As long as you control the domain, that's really not very scary. Use IMAP so you always have a copy of your own mail on a computer somewhere, even if you also choose to access it over webmail/Gmail/whatever. If some provider shuts you down, open up somewhere else and you're back as fast as DNS caches expire. Running your own POP/IMAP server is simple, running your own SMTP server and keeping delivery reliable creates a bunch of extra work.

dangrossman 15y ago

Rackspace Mail. http://www.rackspace.com/apps/email_hosting/rackspace_email/ http://www.rackspace.com/apps/email_hosting/rackspace_email/ SLA-guaranteed reliability, 24x7x365 support. Can't ask for more, and it's only $2 per mailbox. People telling you to just throw up your own server are only giving you half the story. Just installing the software isn't even half the work to creating a setup that actually gets your outbound mail delivered reliably, then monitoring the RBL status of your server. It's a full time job, pay someone a few bucks to do it.

gmcabrita 15y ago
Do they provide two factor authentication?
- dangrossman 15y ago
  No.
dholowiski 15y ago
Minimum 5 mailboxes ($10). Still, cheap.

bmelton 15y ago

At the risk of stating the obvious, you can pay Google for their corporate email. Last I checked it was $50 a person per user on the domain, and you get all the benefits of being an actual Google customer.