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Unsettled how many HN readers think this is OK. Please think deeply about this situation, using your systems thinking, to see why this is a really bad trend. I

Unsettled how many HN readers think this is OK. Please think deeply about this situation, using your systems thinking, to see why this is a really bad trend. It is kind of worse than a single guy joining a yoga class for the same reasons. This is a conspiracy to get lots of men to interfere with the education and success of women to get a date or sex.

tayo42 4y ago
These kinds of threads are always an interesting reminder of the kind of people that post here. They have comments on other things too... Can't take any comment seriously
ausbah 4y ago
"guys being guys", "people find their partners in college so it's ok!", "men are the real victims so they're justified / understandable", "nothing is wrong so long as it's not sexual assault". grossest comment section i've seen on this site in forever
- deely3 4y ago
  Citing article: > there are no unwanted advances Could you explain, what exactly is wrong with it?
  - quickthrower2 4y ago
    I am not sure I believe that there are no unwanted advances because of, well everything else said and that the post even exists.
    - TheHappyOddish 4y ago
      You appear to be deciding what parts of the post are true and false based on.. I'm unsure what. Some sort of personal bias? I'm unsure why you feel everything else the professor says is true except the parts that don't align with your foregone conclusion.
  - ausbah 4y ago
    nothing strikes you as creepy or off putting about a non-insignificant number of people entering a class for the sole purpose of trying to find a partner? not incidental flirting or relationship that might occur from taking a class to learn or because of a requirement, but only to find a partner >there are no unwanted advances considering how underreported sexual harassment and assault is in America (for all genders), especially at the college level, I'm not inclined to believe this
fzeroracer 4y ago
This story, even if it's a fake, is a great litmus test for how many engineers are creeps and continue to justify creepy behavior for the most absurd of reasons.
Tozen 4y ago
> It is kind of worse than a single guy joining a yoga class... Let's start with that point and take the reverse. Are we suppose to automatically discriminate against or condemn a woman who joins say a kick-boxing class full of men? Her reasons, which others may agree with or not, are not as relevant as her right to do so. In the same way those male students have the right to join that class, regardless of internal reasons. To include we should be mindful that people have many reasons for doing things, so singling out just one, doesn't mean a complete picture of their motivations. The next problem with the argument that you are presenting, is because a person of the opposite sex joins a class, does not mean they will automatically gain total sexual access to everyone there. This is why you can't drop a simplistic argument, and act as if it represents real world scenarios. Every adult person inside the class has the right of refusal. If a person makes dating or sexual advances towards them, they can refuse the offer. If there is any kind of harassment or violation of class rules, they can complain about it to the appropriate instructors or higher. That they actually did something, should be the issue, not the belief of what they might do or the automatic presumption of guilt. What the issue is, as presented by the teacher, is she personally didn't feel comfortable with the opportunity certain male students had. We are arguably dealing with a level of prudishness or disdain versus actual probable cause that violations of anything had occurred. It would be similar to an old kick-boxing coach not liking females training in the same gym he's in, because he believes their mere presence is an unacceptable distraction and they are possibly sexually promiscuous, so wants to kick them out. That is him grabbling with his own internal issues and trying to impose his biases and preferences on others. In the same way this female teacher is trying to impose her biases and beliefs on various male students in her class. At the end of the day, the opposite sex exists and people might have sex, so deal with it. The school makes rules of behavior for which people in the class are suppose to follow. That's what the teacher should enforce. What adults do on their free time and outside of the class, is not the business or concern of any prudish teachers. The teacher needs to focus on her class, not what people might be thinking, any possible dating, or the consensual sexual lives of her students outside of her class.
sinity 4y ago
I never did such things as these men. Results are pretty predictable, I think. Are you suggesting that men in general should just give up?

tayo42 4y ago

These kinds of threads are always an interesting reminder of the kind of people that post here. They have comments on other things too... Can't take any comment seriously

ausbah 4y ago

"guys being guys", "people find their partners in college so it's ok!", "men are the real victims so they're justified / understandable", "nothing is wrong so long as it's not sexual assault". grossest comment section i've seen on this site in forever

deely3 4y ago
Citing article: > there are no unwanted advances Could you explain, what exactly is wrong with it?
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  I am not sure I believe that there are no unwanted advances because of, well everything else said and that the post even exists.
  - TheHappyOddish 4y ago
    You appear to be deciding what parts of the post are true and false based on.. I'm unsure what. Some sort of personal bias? I'm unsure why you feel everything else the professor says is true except the parts that don't align with your foregone conclusion.
- ausbah 4y ago
  nothing strikes you as creepy or off putting about a non-insignificant number of people entering a class for the sole purpose of trying to find a partner? not incidental flirting or relationship that might occur from taking a class to learn or because of a requirement, but only to find a partner >there are no unwanted advances considering how underreported sexual harassment and assault is in America (for all genders), especially at the college level, I'm not inclined to believe this

fzeroracer 4y ago

This story, even if it's a fake, is a great litmus test for how many engineers are creeps and continue to justify creepy behavior for the most absurd of reasons.

Tozen 4y ago

> It is kind of worse than a single guy joining a yoga class... Let's start with that point and take the reverse. Are we suppose to automatically discriminate against or condemn a woman who joins say a kick-boxing class full of men? Her reasons, which others may agree with or not, are not as relevant as her right to do so. In the same way those male students have the right to join that class, regardless of internal reasons. To include we should be mindful that people have many reasons for doing things, so singling out just one, doesn't mean a complete picture of their motivations. The next problem with the argument that you are presenting, is because a person of the opposite sex joins a class, does not mean they will automatically gain total sexual access to everyone there. This is why you can't drop a simplistic argument, and act as if it represents real world scenarios. Every adult person inside the class has the right of refusal. If a person makes dating or sexual advances towards them, they can refuse the offer. If there is any kind of harassment or violation of class rules, they can complain about it to the appropriate instructors or higher. That they actually did something, should be the issue, not the belief of what they might do or the automatic presumption of guilt. What the issue is, as presented by the teacher, is she personally didn't feel comfortable with the opportunity certain male students had. We are arguably dealing with a level of prudishness or disdain versus actual probable cause that violations of anything had occurred. It would be similar to an old kick-boxing coach not liking females training in the same gym he's in, because he believes their mere presence is an unacceptable distraction and they are possibly sexually promiscuous, so wants to kick them out. That is him grabbling with his own internal issues and trying to impose his biases and preferences on others. In the same way this female teacher is trying to impose her biases and beliefs on various male students in her class. At the end of the day, the opposite sex exists and people might have sex, so deal with it. The school makes rules of behavior for which people in the class are suppose to follow. That's what the teacher should enforce. What adults do on their free time and outside of the class, is not the business or concern of any prudish teachers. The teacher needs to focus on her class, not what people might be thinking, any possible dating, or the consensual sexual lives of her students outside of her class.

sinity 4y ago

I never did such things as these men. Results are pretty predictable, I think. Are you suggesting that men in general should just give up?