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My upper level CS classes in college had one woman back in early 2010s. I entered grad school some years later. My graduate level CS courses that over lapped t

My upper level CS classes in college had one woman back in early 2010s. I entered grad school some years later. My graduate level CS courses that over lapped the data science classes were usually around fifty percent. The courses that didn't were more male but nothing close to undergraduate. It really wasn't something I noticed like in undergrad. So seems to be getting better What I did notice was both the data science classes and CS classes often times had fifty percent or higher non American students. We seem to be educating a lot of foreign born students who are willing to come to America. It felt gross when I had a friend, with an American master's degree in STEM, who ended up having to leave a job she liked to go back to her home country because she ran out of time on her visa and didn't win the lottery to stay. Seems extremely stupid of us to be kicking out highly educated individuals basically randomly.

mjevans 4y ago
The correct answer is to require the hiring of any non-citizen to be for something like the greater than the top 25th (mode average) pay in that field nationally / in that locality AND to allow anyone that's put in 3 months of work or more at a job one year after that job to land the next compatible one or finish up their immigration paperwork as long as they're actively looking for work.
atyppo 4y ago
America's immigration system is in desperate need of reform. The green card "diversity" lottery is stupid and outright discriminatory. I've considered emigrating from the US to some EU members, and while it isn't easy for any of these countries, it certainly is nowhere near as difficult as if I were doing the reverse. Will it ever be fixed in my lifetime? I'm 22. I have my doubts.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  If America really wanted to reform its immigration system, it would have by now. Half the people in America want much less immigration; they said so loud and clear when they elected Trump. These voters don't want people with masters degrees in STEM, or anyone else really; they think people with masters degrees are going to take their jobs at Walmart.
midoridensha 4y ago
Obviously, America doesn't really want people like that. People with master's degrees in STEM should instead look for countries that welcome them with their immigration policies.
sinity 4y ago
> Seems extremely stupid of us to be kicking out highly educated individuals basically randomly. I don't understand why the US won't allow me to migrate*. Presumably someone from the EU making above-average salary should be net gain. There are no significant "cultural differences", I think. I resent that tech world is centered on the SV and I don't have fucking access because I was born in the wrong location. I guess I should be happy it was inside of the EU, at least. * well, I haven't tried. Diversity lottery has bullshit odds, H1b is too hard to get. I think I'd be willing to offer sth like $100K for a permanent residence permit, if it was possible. Why isn't it? Instead the price is investing ~$1M - apparently, if you need to work for a living, you're not free. (through it's _investing_ - presumably there could be a way to _pay_ someone less than that to invest on your behalf and then take that money later, along with what you paid them for this service. Hmm.)

mjevans 4y ago

The correct answer is to require the hiring of any non-citizen to be for something like the greater than the top 25th (mode average) pay in that field nationally / in that locality AND to allow anyone that's put in 3 months of work or more at a job one year after that job to land the next compatible one or finish up their immigration paperwork as long as they're actively looking for work.

atyppo 4y ago

America's immigration system is in desperate need of reform. The green card "diversity" lottery is stupid and outright discriminatory. I've considered emigrating from the US to some EU members, and while it isn't easy for any of these countries, it certainly is nowhere near as difficult as if I were doing the reverse. Will it ever be fixed in my lifetime? I'm 22. I have my doubts.

midoridensha 4y ago
If America really wanted to reform its immigration system, it would have by now. Half the people in America want much less immigration; they said so loud and clear when they elected Trump. These voters don't want people with masters degrees in STEM, or anyone else really; they think people with masters degrees are going to take their jobs at Walmart.

midoridensha 4y ago

Obviously, America doesn't really want people like that. People with master's degrees in STEM should instead look for countries that welcome them with their immigration policies.

sinity 4y ago

> Seems extremely stupid of us to be kicking out highly educated individuals basically randomly. I don't understand why the US won't allow me to migrate*. Presumably someone from the EU making above-average salary should be net gain. There are no significant "cultural differences", I think. I resent that tech world is centered on the SV and I don't have fucking access because I was born in the wrong location. I guess I should be happy it was inside of the EU, at least. * well, I haven't tried. Diversity lottery has bullshit odds, H1b is too hard to get. I think I'd be willing to offer sth like $100K for a permanent residence permit, if it was possible. Why isn't it? Instead the price is investing ~$1M - apparently, if you need to work for a living, you're not free. (through it's _investing_ - presumably there could be a way to _pay_ someone less than that to invest on your behalf and then take that money later, along with what you paid them for this service. Hmm.)