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Girls must be protected from being asked out at all costs because they are strong and independent future girl-bosses.

throwntoday 4y ago
The real issue was pointed out by the professor herself, that only attractive women were being offered tutoring and getting attention. The ones complaining were jaded by the competition. I don't see how there is any issue with this if the men were respectful and didn't actually make unwanted advances. Why does the professor (a woman) feel like women are stupid, or need to be coddled? I can't think of anything more disrespectful to empowering women than assuming they don't possess the agency to make calculated decisions on their own.
- troupe 4y ago
  She specifically said that some of the upperclassmen were helping run the labs which sounds like it would benefit everyone.
  - bitmunk 4y ago
    A smug upperclassmen != Good teacher
  - throwntoday 4y ago
    I took that as within their lab groups. As-in sitting with their group of 4 or so, they led the group work. Honestly, whatever their motives, that kind of interaction is what group work is for. Having students that can lead and communicate with peers is invaluable.
    - CuriousCosmic 4y ago
      This works great until someone rejects their advances and in retaliation the male student (who is auditing the class so they have no consequences for failure) sabotages the female student's labs and therefore their grade.
      - throwntoday 4y ago
        You're fabricating a scenario that even the professor wasn't so absurd to propose.
        CuriousCosmic 4y ago
        The professor was simply stating what they observed. I am extrapolating on the possible problems that'd arise in this environment and what I am suggesting isn't really that absurd. As a male student during my years in undergrad, I had 2 different instances of team members/partners who outright stated they would not cooperate and would just fail the lab/project unless I did XYZ thing for them. In the 2 cases I remember it was basically "do most of my work for me" despite barely having enough time to complete my own portions. To add onto this, professors often repeated in my courses that "it's your responsibility to make group/pair work succeed" and that students would need to pick up the slack for any deficiencies in the team/pair. To their credit, I occasionally had professors who graded work per team member to prevent this type of leaching but often the answer the professor would give the class was that learning how to pick up the slack was just part of the course. It isn't much of a leap to see this kind of "if you don't cooperate we can just fail" behavior from someone who already has no academic penalty for failure (as audits don't have final grades) and who joins the class explicitly to try to get laid.
        MandieD 4y ago
        As someone who was a young female CS major half a lifetime ago, thanks for sticking your neck out to explain this to your fellow fellows.
- tiahura 4y ago
  Reminds me of the Rush Limbaugh joke - “ Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream.”
honkler 4y ago
stunning and brave, queen.
bitmunk 4y ago
Let's change the subjects from "horny upperclassmen" to "MLM representatives that want to get new suckers". Would you be fine with going to a class where a significant percentage of people are trying to get you to sell Amway products? And they don't give a damn about the class?
- baryphonic 4y ago
  > Would you be fine with going to a class where a significant percentage of people are trying to get you to sell Amway products? And they don't give a damn about the class? Yes? I'm capable of saying no, even aggressively when people don't get the hint. I've even done it in the past, numerous times.
  - bitmunk 4y ago
    Would you find their behaviour acceptable? Would you find it positive?
    - baryphonic 4y ago
      What "behaviour" are we talking about? Sounds like they simply exist and are in the same room as me.
- type-r 4y ago
  I mean, yeah? If it turned into harassment then no, but the post itself says that's not happening. How is this any different from Bob talking your ear off about some hobby that he has that you have absolutely zero interest in? You just don't listen or tell him directly you don't care. This thread makes me feel like I'm going insane, this is basic human interaction.
  - bitmunk 4y ago
    Let's say there's 20 Bobs in your class, and they are pushy, not pushy because that would be harrasment ;) Also the Bobs don't give a shit about the class, they just got in to talk about [INSERT ANNOYING HOBBY]. It's totally okay if you say something that's totally not equivalent.

The real issue was pointed out by the professor herself, that only attractive women were being offered tutoring and getting attention. The ones complaining were jaded by the competition. I don't see how there is any issue with this if the men were respectful and didn't actually make unwanted advances. Why does the professor (a woman) feel like women are stupid, or need to be coddled? I can't think of anything more disrespectful to empowering women than assuming they don't possess the agency to make calculated decisions on their own.

troupe 4y ago
She specifically said that some of the upperclassmen were helping run the labs which sounds like it would benefit everyone.
- bitmunk 4y ago
  A smug upperclassmen != Good teacher
- throwntoday 4y ago
  I took that as within their lab groups. As-in sitting with their group of 4 or so, they led the group work. Honestly, whatever their motives, that kind of interaction is what group work is for. Having students that can lead and communicate with peers is invaluable.
  - CuriousCosmic 4y ago
    This works great until someone rejects their advances and in retaliation the male student (who is auditing the class so they have no consequences for failure) sabotages the female student's labs and therefore their grade.
    - throwntoday 4y ago
      You're fabricating a scenario that even the professor wasn't so absurd to propose.
      - CuriousCosmic 4y ago
        The professor was simply stating what they observed. I am extrapolating on the possible problems that'd arise in this environment and what I am suggesting isn't really that absurd. As a male student during my years in undergrad, I had 2 different instances of team members/partners who outright stated they would not cooperate and would just fail the lab/project unless I did XYZ thing for them. In the 2 cases I remember it was basically "do most of my work for me" despite barely having enough time to complete my own portions. To add onto this, professors often repeated in my courses that "it's your responsibility to make group/pair work succeed" and that students would need to pick up the slack for any deficiencies in the team/pair. To their credit, I occasionally had professors who graded work per team member to prevent this type of leaching but often the answer the professor would give the class was that learning how to pick up the slack was just part of the course. It isn't much of a leap to see this kind of "if you don't cooperate we can just fail" behavior from someone who already has no academic penalty for failure (as audits don't have final grades) and who joins the class explicitly to try to get laid.
        MandieD 4y ago
        As someone who was a young female CS major half a lifetime ago, thanks for sticking your neck out to explain this to your fellow fellows.
tiahura 4y ago
Reminds me of the Rush Limbaugh joke - “ Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream.”

honkler 4y ago

stunning and brave, queen.

bitmunk 4y ago

Let's change the subjects from "horny upperclassmen" to "MLM representatives that want to get new suckers". Would you be fine with going to a class where a significant percentage of people are trying to get you to sell Amway products? And they don't give a damn about the class?

baryphonic 4y ago
> Would you be fine with going to a class where a significant percentage of people are trying to get you to sell Amway products? And they don't give a damn about the class? Yes? I'm capable of saying no, even aggressively when people don't get the hint. I've even done it in the past, numerous times.
- bitmunk 4y ago
  Would you find their behaviour acceptable? Would you find it positive?
  - baryphonic 4y ago
    What "behaviour" are we talking about? Sounds like they simply exist and are in the same room as me.
type-r 4y ago
I mean, yeah? If it turned into harassment then no, but the post itself says that's not happening. How is this any different from Bob talking your ear off about some hobby that he has that you have absolutely zero interest in? You just don't listen or tell him directly you don't care. This thread makes me feel like I'm going insane, this is basic human interaction.
- bitmunk 4y ago
  Let's say there's 20 Bobs in your class, and they are pushy, not pushy because that would be harrasment ;) Also the Bobs don't give a shit about the class, they just got in to talk about [INSERT ANNOYING HOBBY]. It's totally okay if you say something that's totally not equivalent.