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Why do people see this as even remotely unethical? It seems to me that it's great that plenty of younger people are getting essentially free tutoring sessions a

Why do people see this as even remotely unethical? It seems to me that it's great that plenty of younger people are getting essentially free tutoring sessions and fun friendships/relationships out of it. Unless there's sexual assault/battery being alleged here, this is both ethical and good for all the students involved!

lolbert3 4y ago
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wilsonnb3 4y ago
At the very least it seems demeaning to the women taking the class, if not predatory
labrador 4y ago
Maybe it would help to imagine it's an all men's school and it's young men who feel uncomfortable being hit on while they need to learn. I'm not saying it's any different, I'm just saying shifting it this way be help you think about how it's a power imbalance.
murrkat 4y ago
Anything not “equally accessible to all” is antithetic evil. It is more just for everyone to be worse off than advantage to accrue to the already advantaged.
britch 4y ago
There is an assumption in a class that you are there to learn the curriculum in some way. The seniors in this case are interested only in the other students. The class/coursework is only a prop for them to force interactions with other students. I don't think it's violence, but it's certainly unethical, and makes the class a "joke" for senior students to interfere with others learning. Imagine taking your first CS course and you get paired with someone who does the entire project before you can grapple with the question, An important part of the class has been taken from you. They can offer to "teach you how" but they have little motivation (or even skil) to actually do a good job.
- barry-cotter 4y ago
  > There is an assumption in a class that you are there to learn the curriculum in some way. No there isn’t. We’re talking about a university, not someplace whose sole or primary purpose is learning. The assumption in a university classroom is that students are there to earn a grade and a credential.
- 8note 4y ago
  > Imagine taking your first CS course and you get paired with someone who does the entire project before you can grapple with the question, An important part of the class has been taken from you. I opened an IDE and it did my first assignment for me as part of the opening screen. In no way did it prevent me from learning hello world I did miss out on properly learning what a Jacobian is and how to work with it intuitively because a buddy and I did two different class projects together and did a project from each solo, but I don't think the project would have done the job on the learning. The most important learning from university is that you're in charge of your own learning. Just because said partner can do the whole thing doesn't mean you're off the hook
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KVFinn 4y ago
>Why do people see this as even remotely unethical? It seems to me that it's great that plenty of younger people are getting essentially free tutoring sessions and fun friendships/relationships out of it. >Unless there's sexual assault/battery being alleged here, this is both ethical and good for all the students involved! A high school senior in Calc 2 would a helpful in an Algebra 1 class as a tutor or teaching assistant. A high school senior in Calc 2 taking that same class on the pretense they forgot how to take the slope a linear equation is, uh, just weird vibes you know? It's that pretense that does it. Double so if there's an age dynamic of Seniors/Freshmen.

lolbert3 4y ago

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wilsonnb3 4y ago

At the very least it seems demeaning to the women taking the class, if not predatory

labrador 4y ago

Maybe it would help to imagine it's an all men's school and it's young men who feel uncomfortable being hit on while they need to learn. I'm not saying it's any different, I'm just saying shifting it this way be help you think about how it's a power imbalance.

murrkat 4y ago

Anything not “equally accessible to all” is antithetic evil. It is more just for everyone to be worse off than advantage to accrue to the already advantaged.

britch 4y ago

There is an assumption in a class that you are there to learn the curriculum in some way. The seniors in this case are interested only in the other students. The class/coursework is only a prop for them to force interactions with other students. I don't think it's violence, but it's certainly unethical, and makes the class a "joke" for senior students to interfere with others learning. Imagine taking your first CS course and you get paired with someone who does the entire project before you can grapple with the question, An important part of the class has been taken from you. They can offer to "teach you how" but they have little motivation (or even skil) to actually do a good job.

barry-cotter 4y ago
> There is an assumption in a class that you are there to learn the curriculum in some way. No there isn’t. We’re talking about a university, not someplace whose sole or primary purpose is learning. The assumption in a university classroom is that students are there to earn a grade and a credential.
8note 4y ago
> Imagine taking your first CS course and you get paired with someone who does the entire project before you can grapple with the question, An important part of the class has been taken from you. I opened an IDE and it did my first assignment for me as part of the opening screen. In no way did it prevent me from learning hello world I did miss out on properly learning what a Jacobian is and how to work with it intuitively because a buddy and I did two different class projects together and did a project from each solo, but I don't think the project would have done the job on the learning. The most important learning from university is that you're in charge of your own learning. Just because said partner can do the whole thing doesn't mean you're off the hook

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KVFinn 4y ago

>Why do people see this as even remotely unethical? It seems to me that it's great that plenty of younger people are getting essentially free tutoring sessions and fun friendships/relationships out of it. >Unless there's sexual assault/battery being alleged here, this is both ethical and good for all the students involved! A high school senior in Calc 2 would a helpful in an Algebra 1 class as a tutor or teaching assistant. A high school senior in Calc 2 taking that same class on the pretense they forgot how to take the slope a linear equation is, uh, just weird vibes you know? It's that pretense that does it. Double so if there's an age dynamic of Seniors/Freshmen.