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> cars and thus more roads and highways, which are primary contributors to greenhouse gas emissions No… they are _not_ the primary contributors to greenhouse g

> cars and thus more roads and highways, which are primary contributors to greenhouse gas emissions No… they are _not_ the primary contributors to greenhouse gas emissions. Road transport accounts for less than 12% of emissions[0]. What does climate change have to do with driverless cars anyway? It seems like you're basically saying we should keep driving miserable under some false pretense that it's responsible for the death of the planet. [0]: https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector

bmitc 4y ago
I didn't say the primary. They are indeed major contributors. I probably should have spelled out the point more, but building roads is the real problem. And so anything that supports building more and thus having to maintain more roads is a problem. If I remember the stat off the top of my head, building just 1-mile of road (I forget the definition of "road") is about as much as a single EV. > It seems like you're basically saying we should keep driving miserable under some false pretense that it's responsible for the death of the planet. And no, that's not what I'm saying. Self-driving cars are just trying to patch the problem of terrible traffic and terrible public transportation. By doing so, they aren't solving any real problem, and they will increase problems of congestion and also climate change, since they will continue to bolster cars and thus roads needed to support cars.
- buzzert 4y ago
  > they aren't solving any real problem, and they will increase problems of congestion and also climate change, since they will continue to bolster cars and thus roads needed to support cars. Again, this is zero sum thinking. We can have both efficient and safe driverless EVs as well as trains/buses run by the government. Personally, I'd prefer to take the former given how little interest the government has in enforcing laws on public transportation, and this trend seems undue to change.
  - AlexandrB 4y ago
    > Personally, I'd prefer to take the former given how little interest the government has in enforcing laws on public transportation, and this trend seems undue to change. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you talking about HOV lanes and bus lanes not being enforced, fares not being enforced, or literal lawlessness on public transit?
    - buzzert 4y ago
      Literal lawlessness on public transit. I gave up on Muni in SF and started driving my car a lot more after the n-th encounter with drug addicts ruining public transportation for everyone.

bmitc 4y ago

I didn't say the primary. They are indeed major contributors. I probably should have spelled out the point more, but building roads is the real problem. And so anything that supports building more and thus having to maintain more roads is a problem. If I remember the stat off the top of my head, building just 1-mile of road (I forget the definition of "road") is about as much as a single EV. > It seems like you're basically saying we should keep driving miserable under some false pretense that it's responsible for the death of the planet. And no, that's not what I'm saying. Self-driving cars are just trying to patch the problem of terrible traffic and terrible public transportation. By doing so, they aren't solving any real problem, and they will increase problems of congestion and also climate change, since they will continue to bolster cars and thus roads needed to support cars.

buzzert 4y ago
> they aren't solving any real problem, and they will increase problems of congestion and also climate change, since they will continue to bolster cars and thus roads needed to support cars. Again, this is zero sum thinking. We can have both efficient and safe driverless EVs as well as trains/buses run by the government. Personally, I'd prefer to take the former given how little interest the government has in enforcing laws on public transportation, and this trend seems undue to change.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  > Personally, I'd prefer to take the former given how little interest the government has in enforcing laws on public transportation, and this trend seems undue to change. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you talking about HOV lanes and bus lanes not being enforced, fares not being enforced, or literal lawlessness on public transit?
  - buzzert 4y ago
    Literal lawlessness on public transit. I gave up on Muni in SF and started driving my car a lot more after the n-th encounter with drug addicts ruining public transportation for everyone.