Honestly, I don't really see the relevance. It's mixed, but that being said, J&J (sorry, LTL) have been found in multiple civil courts to be, by the rules of th

Honestly, I don't really see the relevance. It's mixed, but that being said, J&J (sorry, LTL) have been found in multiple civil courts to be, by the rules of those courts, to be liable. It's a cake-and-eat-it. "Oh, we are more than happy to use the letter of the law to create a shell company with the intent to bankrupt it for liability sake", but "oh, just because we went to trial and lost, repeatedly, doesn't mean that we're actuaaaaally liable".