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Much of earth's habitable land is untouched. Earth can support many more people than we have today. Even more so given the technologies we've developed. We need
by PM_me_your_math 4y ago
Much of earth's habitable land is untouched. Earth can support many more people than we have today. Even more so given the technologies we've developed. We need to start prioritizing not only our species' survival, but its expansion and development. We should not, under any circumstances, be suppressing it. This 70-year fantasy of climate catastrophe are filled with end-of-the-world predictions that never come true, and even if true, are not the greatest threat to our survival. Earth needs babies. Get to work.
- SQueeeeeL 4y agoDamn, this is exactly the type of comment I expect to see from one of those weird "satire" movies like Don't Look Up. Glad to see Hacker News delivering once again with some cracked uncomfortable comments about climate change being fake
- PM_me_your_math 4y agoI mean, if you're uncomfortable having your ideas challenged, that's on you, not me. Science is not religion. The very nature of science is to question. So if I read 100 papers over the last 50 years, each written by preeminent scientists, however none of those predictions in those papers have come true; whose fault is it that I question what amounts to the same old tired predictions? Mine? ...for not 'believing' in the science, or theirs; the latter of which present predictions that never seem rooted in reality?
- SQueeeeeL 4y agoHacker news people saying to "go read some more academic papers if you believe in Climate Change" is also pretty awesome. My day has been improved
- PM_me_your_math 4y agoYou missed the point entirely. If 100 papers over 70 years say the end of the world is nigh, but the world doesn't end; who is wrong? me or the papers?
- SQueeeeeL 4y agoIt's perfectly fine to be a weird dude who advocates that we need exponential growth of humans and that all climate scientists are chicken little. It makes life more interesting and magical to see people trying to logically defend getting us closer to ending modern civilization because it lets me know people are truly free to be whatever they want
- drdeca 4y agoWhat main like, median predictions (like, consensus views among climate scientists) have been falsified? (That being said: I do think that, provided it doesn’t cause problems, “more humans” is good. I just think you’re wrong about climate stuff.)
- PM_me_your_math 4y agoI'm describing the 50 years of dire climate predictions that have not come close to being true. You could go back just 20 years and see where Gore's Inconvenient Truth has missed many of the core predictions, but go back to the 1970s and you spot recycled fear mongering and out-right chicanery. 1976 - GLOBAL COOLING 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000 2000: Children Won’t Know What Snow Is 2002: Peak Oil in 2010 2008: Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013 Specifically, you can find examples of these everywhere with light reading. Clearly I think we, as a civilization, should be good stewards of our planet. We should not be dumping toxic chemicals into our environment. We should be striving to develop energy sources that are cleaner and more abundant. We should not, however, be doing so at the cost of our growth, or creating artificial intangible markets to 'offset' tangible things. It doesn't actually change, fix, or address anything. Survival has always been a problem to overcome in nature, and we should be giving ourselves the best chance possible.