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I've been making pithy comments about tech bro unionization on the orange site for years now and I know exactly what you're talking about. Anything that even sm

by Phlarp 4y ago

I've been making pithy comments about tech bro unionization on the orange site for years now and I know exactly what you're talking about. Anything that even smelled like worker solidarity was shot down with vacuous logic about how the 10x engineers in big tech can't possibly be asked to associate with a lowly web master in a fly-over state. Then suddenly today I said something and instantly got 100 upvotes...

tmpz22 4y ago
Vacuous: "having or showing a lack of thought or intelligence; mindless."
tracker1 4y ago
It's a mixed bag... when your near the ceiling for a given area, it's harder to think about scaling back. These past few months in tech have been really reminding me of the .com bust in 2000-2002, where a lot of the big tech companies scaled back, others fell over (mostly coastal areas) and about a year later it hit secondary cities (Phoenix, SLC, Houston, etc)... I was pretty much unable to find anything for about 6-8 months, and others for a year. In the end, wound up staying in a room at a friend's house that was being renovated... working small project work at barely enough to feed myself on... By the end, my truck was reposessed and I was driving a junker. All I can say is for now, keep your head down, and hit your goals. The up side is during the down time I managed to enhance my skills, learn a new programming language (offline, with the command line compiler is so much fun /sarc). It's cyclical... I would expect many jobs at the higher end to shift down about 30-50% in terms of base compensation. Working C2H right now, and really hoping I'm able to come in perm. Fortunately in a market not going away.
- kilgnad 4y ago
  >It's a mixed bag... when your near the ceiling for a given area, it's harder to think about scaling back. A union doesn't necessarily have to negotiate maximum ceiling salaries. It doesn't have to negotiate salaries at all. It can just be an entity to prevent the company from letting you go just because the numbers look 2% better. I think the best of both worlds is when the union only negotiates a minimum salary.
  - tracker1 4y ago
    I've thought for a while that a more formal guild would be a good approach for software developers... My fear is that it would become a certification/credential machine.
  - Phlarp 4y ago
    SAG has absolutely no trouble raising the standards of the entire industry without any "ceilings" for the highest paid members, nor has it become a credentialism machine like state bar associations or the AMA.
deanCommie 4y ago
It's hackernews. Everyone here thinks they're the next Drew Houston or Brian Chesky. They're more likely to empathize with the CEO who's complaining how hard it is to fire people in Europe than with the average even 10x tech worker.
- spacemadness 4y ago
  It’s the tech heavy version of the Financial Times comment section constantly taking the sides of business leaders no matter what.

by Phlarp 4y ago

tmpz22 4y ago

Vacuous: "having or showing a lack of thought or intelligence; mindless."

tracker1 4y ago

It's a mixed bag... when your near the ceiling for a given area, it's harder to think about scaling back. These past few months in tech have been really reminding me of the .com bust in 2000-2002, where a lot of the big tech companies scaled back, others fell over (mostly coastal areas) and about a year later it hit secondary cities (Phoenix, SLC, Houston, etc)... I was pretty much unable to find anything for about 6-8 months, and others for a year. In the end, wound up staying in a room at a friend's house that was being renovated... working small project work at barely enough to feed myself on... By the end, my truck was reposessed and I was driving a junker. All I can say is for now, keep your head down, and hit your goals. The up side is during the down time I managed to enhance my skills, learn a new programming language (offline, with the command line compiler is so much fun /sarc). It's cyclical... I would expect many jobs at the higher end to shift down about 30-50% in terms of base compensation. Working C2H right now, and really hoping I'm able to come in perm. Fortunately in a market not going away.

kilgnad 4y ago
>It's a mixed bag... when your near the ceiling for a given area, it's harder to think about scaling back. A union doesn't necessarily have to negotiate maximum ceiling salaries. It doesn't have to negotiate salaries at all. It can just be an entity to prevent the company from letting you go just because the numbers look 2% better. I think the best of both worlds is when the union only negotiates a minimum salary.
- tracker1 4y ago
  I've thought for a while that a more formal guild would be a good approach for software developers... My fear is that it would become a certification/credential machine.
- Phlarp 4y ago
  SAG has absolutely no trouble raising the standards of the entire industry without any "ceilings" for the highest paid members, nor has it become a credentialism machine like state bar associations or the AMA.

deanCommie 4y ago

It's hackernews. Everyone here thinks they're the next Drew Houston or Brian Chesky. They're more likely to empathize with the CEO who's complaining how hard it is to fire people in Europe than with the average even 10x tech worker.

spacemadness 4y ago
It’s the tech heavy version of the Financial Times comment section constantly taking the sides of business leaders no matter what.