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for certain large segments of EV buyers, especially in US, Tesla is objectively the best EV right now.

by option 4y ago

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helpfulclippy 4y ago
Agreed. Last year I literally put a spreadsheet together of every single electric car approved for sale in the US, with columns for every specification I cared about. I expected to find Tesla to be overhyped, just based on the fact that it is run by a relentless hypefiend. But for what I wanted (a hatchback with fast acceleration and decent range, and big enough to accommodate a bike without taking the wheel off), the Model Y came out on top. Sometimes specs aren't everything of course. I don't buy Sony. I don't care what the PS5's specs look like -- I'm not buying Sony. I think I might have heard one or two people feel similarly about Elon and/or Tesla. ;)
- wara23arish 4y ago
  im curious whats your problem with Sony? I’ve generally loved their products ever since using the CD players
  - cduzz 4y ago
    DRM root kits back in the day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk... Not cool owning your customer's boxes...
  - yabones 4y ago
    Could be the rootkit scandal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...
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  - helpfulclippy 4y ago
    Rootkit. Copyright lawsuits against individuals. They welched on the warranty for my Sony Vaio laptop and wasted a ton of my time. Someone got me to buy a PS4, and I hate it and find it to be user-hostile. Basically, any time I have some experience with Sony, it is a bad experience. YMMV. edit: can someone please tell me why ps4s have to do some lengthy time-wasting fsck-like this every time they lose power? Did no one at Sony know what journaling filesystems were?
tapoxi 4y ago
They have a pretty poor safety record with regard to Autopilot/FSD, not to mention way too many controls are behind a tablet interface that you should not look at while driving. It also implies I'm endorsing Musk and I'd be embarrassed to drive it. I'd much rather take the pain of CCS with the hope that the infrastructure bill smooths things out or grants supercharger access to CCS vehicles.
- option 4y ago
  Their safety record and ratings are actually one of the industry’s best. If you consider a car, please do your own research on this - check out actual ratings agencies reports, not news sites. Regarding Musk - this is a weird argument. Are you endorsing oil industry then, if you are buying gas car? Or China if you are buying Polestar/Volvo ev? etc.
  - bdcravens 4y ago
    You're comparing supporting a person with supporting an entire industry or country, which isn't an apt comparison. It's more akin to buying a MyPillow or shopping at Hobby Lobby, both of which have founders with ideologies that some may choose to not support.
  - jackmott42 4y ago
    The crash test results are good, that is distinct from overall safety though. Tesla's own marketing along these lines usually ignores important confounding factors. Like that their cars are relatively new and expensive compared to the average of all cars.
    - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
      >marketing along these lines usually ignores important confounding factors. Like that their cars are relatively new and expensive compared to the average of all cars. To be fair, Volvo plays the same tune and HN is happy to take it at face value. At the very least we should strive for consistency...
  - 4y ago
kcb 4y ago
Especially with the recent price cuts. I was cross shopping the Model Y and the Q4 E-Tron last year. The Model Y has the range and performance advantage but was a bit costlier. This year the tables are totally flipped. Audi jacked up their EV prices and now, with the $7500 tax credit, a mid-speced Audi Q4 E-Tron is like $20k more than the Model Y. I ordered a Model Y. That's not to mention that one can seamlessly order the Model Y and take delivery a couple months later. Obtaining pretty much any EV from a traditional dealer is still a massive PITA.
- frumper 4y ago
  I was looking for a Mach-E when they came out and the dealers around here all told me the same thing. When they get one on the lot they'd call me, and everyone else on the list , and the first person to phyiscally get there and buy it is who it goes to. What kind of ridiculous race is that? I ordered a Model Y.
rootusrootus 4y ago
It's a dichotomy. Independent of the charging network, Tesla definitely doesn't make the best EV. But the charging network does matter. I bought my second Tesla in spite of knowing all the random stupidity it would subject me to, because my second EV is a CCS car and I know about that pain. For my use case, reliable fast charging is worth the trade-off.

for certain large segments of EV buyers, especially in US, Tesla is objectively the best EV right now.

by option 4y ago

for certain large segments of EV buyers, especially in US, Tesla is objectively the best EV right now.

deleted 4y ago

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helpfulclippy 4y ago

Agreed. Last year I literally put a spreadsheet together of every single electric car approved for sale in the US, with columns for every specification I cared about. I expected to find Tesla to be overhyped, just based on the fact that it is run by a relentless hypefiend. But for what I wanted (a hatchback with fast acceleration and decent range, and big enough to accommodate a bike without taking the wheel off), the Model Y came out on top. Sometimes specs aren't everything of course. I don't buy Sony. I don't care what the PS5's specs look like -- I'm not buying Sony. I think I might have heard one or two people feel similarly about Elon and/or Tesla. ;)

wara23arish 4y ago
im curious whats your problem with Sony? I’ve generally loved their products ever since using the CD players
- cduzz 4y ago
  DRM root kits back in the day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk... Not cool owning your customer's boxes...
- yabones 4y ago
  Could be the rootkit scandal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- helpfulclippy 4y ago
  Rootkit. Copyright lawsuits against individuals. They welched on the warranty for my Sony Vaio laptop and wasted a ton of my time. Someone got me to buy a PS4, and I hate it and find it to be user-hostile. Basically, any time I have some experience with Sony, it is a bad experience. YMMV. edit: can someone please tell me why ps4s have to do some lengthy time-wasting fsck-like this every time they lose power? Did no one at Sony know what journaling filesystems were?

tapoxi 4y ago

They have a pretty poor safety record with regard to Autopilot/FSD, not to mention way too many controls are behind a tablet interface that you should not look at while driving. It also implies I'm endorsing Musk and I'd be embarrassed to drive it. I'd much rather take the pain of CCS with the hope that the infrastructure bill smooths things out or grants supercharger access to CCS vehicles.

option 4y ago
Their safety record and ratings are actually one of the industry’s best. If you consider a car, please do your own research on this - check out actual ratings agencies reports, not news sites. Regarding Musk - this is a weird argument. Are you endorsing oil industry then, if you are buying gas car? Or China if you are buying Polestar/Volvo ev? etc.
- bdcravens 4y ago
  You're comparing supporting a person with supporting an entire industry or country, which isn't an apt comparison. It's more akin to buying a MyPillow or shopping at Hobby Lobby, both of which have founders with ideologies that some may choose to not support.
- jackmott42 4y ago
  The crash test results are good, that is distinct from overall safety though. Tesla's own marketing along these lines usually ignores important confounding factors. Like that their cars are relatively new and expensive compared to the average of all cars.
  - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
    >marketing along these lines usually ignores important confounding factors. Like that their cars are relatively new and expensive compared to the average of all cars. To be fair, Volvo plays the same tune and HN is happy to take it at face value. At the very least we should strive for consistency...
- 4y ago

kcb 4y ago

Especially with the recent price cuts. I was cross shopping the Model Y and the Q4 E-Tron last year. The Model Y has the range and performance advantage but was a bit costlier. This year the tables are totally flipped. Audi jacked up their EV prices and now, with the $7500 tax credit, a mid-speced Audi Q4 E-Tron is like $20k more than the Model Y. I ordered a Model Y. That's not to mention that one can seamlessly order the Model Y and take delivery a couple months later. Obtaining pretty much any EV from a traditional dealer is still a massive PITA.

frumper 4y ago
I was looking for a Mach-E when they came out and the dealers around here all told me the same thing. When they get one on the lot they'd call me, and everyone else on the list , and the first person to phyiscally get there and buy it is who it goes to. What kind of ridiculous race is that? I ordered a Model Y.

rootusrootus 4y ago

It's a dichotomy. Independent of the charging network, Tesla definitely doesn't make the best EV. But the charging network does matter. I bought my second Tesla in spite of knowing all the random stupidity it would subject me to, because my second EV is a CCS car and I know about that pain. For my use case, reliable fast charging is worth the trade-off.