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I will never buy a Tesla, but the CCS network is pretty garbage in the U.S. right now. EA regularly has outages, their newer models (which I have not used) fry

by tapoxi 4y ago

I will never buy a Tesla, but the CCS network is pretty garbage in the U.S. right now. EA regularly has outages, their newer models (which I have not used) fry vehicles or fail in cold weather, I've only heard bad things about EVGo but never used them. Fortunately I stick to home (Metro Boston) and haven't had any serious problems with ChargePoint stations heading up to Mount Desert Island in Maine, the farthest trips I've done.

option 4y ago
for certain large segments of EV buyers, especially in US, Tesla is objectively the best EV right now.
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- helpfulclippy 4y ago
  Agreed. Last year I literally put a spreadsheet together of every single electric car approved for sale in the US, with columns for every specification I cared about. I expected to find Tesla to be overhyped, just based on the fact that it is run by a relentless hypefiend. But for what I wanted (a hatchback with fast acceleration and decent range, and big enough to accommodate a bike without taking the wheel off), the Model Y came out on top. Sometimes specs aren't everything of course. I don't buy Sony. I don't care what the PS5's specs look like -- I'm not buying Sony. I think I might have heard one or two people feel similarly about Elon and/or Tesla. ;)
  - wara23arish 4y ago
    im curious whats your problem with Sony? I’ve generally loved their products ever since using the CD players
    - cduzz 4y ago
      DRM root kits back in the day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk... Not cool owning your customer's boxes...
    - yabones 4y ago
      Could be the rootkit scandal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...
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    - helpfulclippy 4y ago
      Rootkit. Copyright lawsuits against individuals. They welched on the warranty for my Sony Vaio laptop and wasted a ton of my time. Someone got me to buy a PS4, and I hate it and find it to be user-hostile. Basically, any time I have some experience with Sony, it is a bad experience. YMMV. edit: can someone please tell me why ps4s have to do some lengthy time-wasting fsck-like this every time they lose power? Did no one at Sony know what journaling filesystems were?
- tapoxi 4y ago
  They have a pretty poor safety record with regard to Autopilot/FSD, not to mention way too many controls are behind a tablet interface that you should not look at while driving. It also implies I'm endorsing Musk and I'd be embarrassed to drive it. I'd much rather take the pain of CCS with the hope that the infrastructure bill smooths things out or grants supercharger access to CCS vehicles.
  - option 4y ago
    Their safety record and ratings are actually one of the industry’s best. If you consider a car, please do your own research on this - check out actual ratings agencies reports, not news sites. Regarding Musk - this is a weird argument. Are you endorsing oil industry then, if you are buying gas car? Or China if you are buying Polestar/Volvo ev? etc.
    - bdcravens 4y ago
      You're comparing supporting a person with supporting an entire industry or country, which isn't an apt comparison. It's more akin to buying a MyPillow or shopping at Hobby Lobby, both of which have founders with ideologies that some may choose to not support.
    - jackmott42 4y ago
      The crash test results are good, that is distinct from overall safety though. Tesla's own marketing along these lines usually ignores important confounding factors. Like that their cars are relatively new and expensive compared to the average of all cars.
      - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
        >marketing along these lines usually ignores important confounding factors. Like that their cars are relatively new and expensive compared to the average of all cars. To be fair, Volvo plays the same tune and HN is happy to take it at face value. At the very least we should strive for consistency...
    - 4y ago
- kcb 4y ago
  Especially with the recent price cuts. I was cross shopping the Model Y and the Q4 E-Tron last year. The Model Y has the range and performance advantage but was a bit costlier. This year the tables are totally flipped. Audi jacked up their EV prices and now, with the $7500 tax credit, a mid-speced Audi Q4 E-Tron is like $20k more than the Model Y. I ordered a Model Y. That's not to mention that one can seamlessly order the Model Y and take delivery a couple months later. Obtaining pretty much any EV from a traditional dealer is still a massive PITA.
  - frumper 4y ago
    I was looking for a Mach-E when they came out and the dealers around here all told me the same thing. When they get one on the lot they'd call me, and everyone else on the list , and the first person to phyiscally get there and buy it is who it goes to. What kind of ridiculous race is that? I ordered a Model Y.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  It's a dichotomy. Independent of the charging network, Tesla definitely doesn't make the best EV. But the charging network does matter. I bought my second Tesla in spite of knowing all the random stupidity it would subject me to, because my second EV is a CCS car and I know about that pain. For my use case, reliable fast charging is worth the trade-off.
waffletower 4y ago
I thought I didn't want to buy another Tesla myself, but I have encountered so many issues with other networks over many years of driving a Nissan Leaf, and seeing this reinforces Tesla's charging network supremacy. The Tesla chargers have been incredibly reliable. Just don't turn autopilot on when you are back on the road.
- darknavi 4y ago
  Tesla's "base" package for lane keeping is great (and on par with other major auto manufactures) and probably sufficient for most users. Save thousands of dollars.
laweijfmvo 4y ago
I bought a Tesla mostly for the charging network. I didn't want "Autopilot" and refuse to have the terrible controls (oe rather lack of controls) on the 3/Y, so I found a used S (2018) that suits my needs pretty well. The software is pretty bad IMO, but it never feels like I can't operate the car as a car due to those issues. I'm still glad I didn't get locked into a Google-owned Android Automotive, which I imagine will be evil at some point, or maybe even abandoned entirely. I WAS planning to get the CCS upgrade, to diversify my charging options, but I think I'll stick with Tesla's network for now...

by tapoxi 4y ago

option 4y ago

for certain large segments of EV buyers, especially in US, Tesla is objectively the best EV right now.

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helpfulclippy 4y ago
Agreed. Last year I literally put a spreadsheet together of every single electric car approved for sale in the US, with columns for every specification I cared about. I expected to find Tesla to be overhyped, just based on the fact that it is run by a relentless hypefiend. But for what I wanted (a hatchback with fast acceleration and decent range, and big enough to accommodate a bike without taking the wheel off), the Model Y came out on top. Sometimes specs aren't everything of course. I don't buy Sony. I don't care what the PS5's specs look like -- I'm not buying Sony. I think I might have heard one or two people feel similarly about Elon and/or Tesla. ;)
- wara23arish 4y ago
  im curious whats your problem with Sony? I’ve generally loved their products ever since using the CD players
  - cduzz 4y ago
    DRM root kits back in the day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk... Not cool owning your customer's boxes...
  - yabones 4y ago
    Could be the rootkit scandal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - helpfulclippy 4y ago
    Rootkit. Copyright lawsuits against individuals. They welched on the warranty for my Sony Vaio laptop and wasted a ton of my time. Someone got me to buy a PS4, and I hate it and find it to be user-hostile. Basically, any time I have some experience with Sony, it is a bad experience. YMMV. edit: can someone please tell me why ps4s have to do some lengthy time-wasting fsck-like this every time they lose power? Did no one at Sony know what journaling filesystems were?
tapoxi 4y ago
They have a pretty poor safety record with regard to Autopilot/FSD, not to mention way too many controls are behind a tablet interface that you should not look at while driving. It also implies I'm endorsing Musk and I'd be embarrassed to drive it. I'd much rather take the pain of CCS with the hope that the infrastructure bill smooths things out or grants supercharger access to CCS vehicles.
- option 4y ago
  Their safety record and ratings are actually one of the industry’s best. If you consider a car, please do your own research on this - check out actual ratings agencies reports, not news sites. Regarding Musk - this is a weird argument. Are you endorsing oil industry then, if you are buying gas car? Or China if you are buying Polestar/Volvo ev? etc.
  - bdcravens 4y ago
    You're comparing supporting a person with supporting an entire industry or country, which isn't an apt comparison. It's more akin to buying a MyPillow or shopping at Hobby Lobby, both of which have founders with ideologies that some may choose to not support.
  - jackmott42 4y ago
    The crash test results are good, that is distinct from overall safety though. Tesla's own marketing along these lines usually ignores important confounding factors. Like that their cars are relatively new and expensive compared to the average of all cars.
    - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
      >marketing along these lines usually ignores important confounding factors. Like that their cars are relatively new and expensive compared to the average of all cars. To be fair, Volvo plays the same tune and HN is happy to take it at face value. At the very least we should strive for consistency...
  - 4y ago
kcb 4y ago
Especially with the recent price cuts. I was cross shopping the Model Y and the Q4 E-Tron last year. The Model Y has the range and performance advantage but was a bit costlier. This year the tables are totally flipped. Audi jacked up their EV prices and now, with the $7500 tax credit, a mid-speced Audi Q4 E-Tron is like $20k more than the Model Y. I ordered a Model Y. That's not to mention that one can seamlessly order the Model Y and take delivery a couple months later. Obtaining pretty much any EV from a traditional dealer is still a massive PITA.
- frumper 4y ago
  I was looking for a Mach-E when they came out and the dealers around here all told me the same thing. When they get one on the lot they'd call me, and everyone else on the list , and the first person to phyiscally get there and buy it is who it goes to. What kind of ridiculous race is that? I ordered a Model Y.
rootusrootus 4y ago
It's a dichotomy. Independent of the charging network, Tesla definitely doesn't make the best EV. But the charging network does matter. I bought my second Tesla in spite of knowing all the random stupidity it would subject me to, because my second EV is a CCS car and I know about that pain. For my use case, reliable fast charging is worth the trade-off.

waffletower 4y ago

I thought I didn't want to buy another Tesla myself, but I have encountered so many issues with other networks over many years of driving a Nissan Leaf, and seeing this reinforces Tesla's charging network supremacy. The Tesla chargers have been incredibly reliable. Just don't turn autopilot on when you are back on the road.

darknavi 4y ago
Tesla's "base" package for lane keeping is great (and on par with other major auto manufactures) and probably sufficient for most users. Save thousands of dollars.

laweijfmvo 4y ago

I bought a Tesla mostly for the charging network. I didn't want "Autopilot" and refuse to have the terrible controls (oe rather lack of controls) on the 3/Y, so I found a used S (2018) that suits my needs pretty well. The software is pretty bad IMO, but it never feels like I can't operate the car as a car due to those issues. I'm still glad I didn't get locked into a Google-owned Android Automotive, which I imagine will be evil at some point, or maybe even abandoned entirely. I WAS planning to get the CCS upgrade, to diversify my charging options, but I think I'll stick with Tesla's network for now...