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Would be interesting to see if there is a strong relationship between the companies doing layoffs and the companies who did WFH en masse and might be thinking a

by xt00 4y ago

Would be interesting to see if there is a strong relationship between the companies doing layoffs and the companies who did WFH en masse and might be thinking a layoff will “encourage” their compliance to come back to the office.

GoToRO 4y ago
One company did exactlly that: everybody must be in the office in 3 weeks, 25% quit, no layoffs needed.
- jkaplowitz 4y ago
  In countries with strong labor laws, that rapid dramatic unilateral change in working location itself would count as similar to a sudden firing without cause for workers who don't want to accept the change in work location, either for all such workers or for those who can't easily begin or resume a commute to the office on such short notice. I wish the US had stronger labor laws. :(
  - junofan 4y ago
    You can make a constructive dismissal claim if permanent WFH was agreed upon. But doubt that was the case here.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    The US has extremely strong labor laws in favor of the employer.
    - ye-olde-sysrq 4y ago
      My personal favorite one is where under at-will employment, either party can end the relationship at any time, which generally translates to: At any time: the company is free to simply make do with one fewer person and the employee is free to simply make do without affordable health/dental/vision insurance, a pay check, a retirement account, and other such niceties. Great deal. Very balanced and fair.
  - sl0tr4cer 4y ago
    Then the sector wouldn't be as dynamic. weak labor laws means rapid response to changing conditions. The onus should be on workers to stay fresh, out of debt, and ready to hustle.
- dymk 4y ago
  That’s constructive dismissal
- andsoitis 4y ago
  Which company?
- flavius29663 4y ago
  but did that help the stock prices? Layoffs boost stock prices, which I think is one of the main reasons why tech giants did that instead of just accelerating un-regretted attrition.
cmsonger 4y ago
I think the WARN act (here in the US) is site based. They don't need employees to be encouraged. If they want to tell people: "Get to a site or don't have a job", they can do that already. (I think, I am not a lawyer.)
ihsw 4y ago
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by xt00 4y ago

GoToRO 4y ago

One company did exactlly that: everybody must be in the office in 3 weeks, 25% quit, no layoffs needed.

jkaplowitz 4y ago
In countries with strong labor laws, that rapid dramatic unilateral change in working location itself would count as similar to a sudden firing without cause for workers who don't want to accept the change in work location, either for all such workers or for those who can't easily begin or resume a commute to the office on such short notice. I wish the US had stronger labor laws. :(
- junofan 4y ago
  You can make a constructive dismissal claim if permanent WFH was agreed upon. But doubt that was the case here.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  The US has extremely strong labor laws in favor of the employer.
  - ye-olde-sysrq 4y ago
    My personal favorite one is where under at-will employment, either party can end the relationship at any time, which generally translates to: At any time: the company is free to simply make do with one fewer person and the employee is free to simply make do without affordable health/dental/vision insurance, a pay check, a retirement account, and other such niceties. Great deal. Very balanced and fair.
- sl0tr4cer 4y ago
  Then the sector wouldn't be as dynamic. weak labor laws means rapid response to changing conditions. The onus should be on workers to stay fresh, out of debt, and ready to hustle.
dymk 4y ago
That’s constructive dismissal
andsoitis 4y ago
Which company?
flavius29663 4y ago
but did that help the stock prices? Layoffs boost stock prices, which I think is one of the main reasons why tech giants did that instead of just accelerating un-regretted attrition.

cmsonger 4y ago

I think the WARN act (here in the US) is site based. They don't need employees to be encouraged. If they want to tell people: "Get to a site or don't have a job", they can do that already. (I think, I am not a lawyer.)

ihsw 4y ago

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