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Union-busting, NDA’s, restricting new slack channels, non-competes - all the usual ways!

by rmorey 4y ago

noorkersz 4y ago
This response just turns my question into: why haven't the usual ways been sufficient for the rest of the tech companies? why are the usual ways still sufficient for apple but not for the others???
- whatshisface 4y ago
  Apple still might do a big layoff.
- toyg 4y ago
  From what I read, Apple has never been ashamed of running on a model that clearly states "this is not a democracy, Dear Leader has all the power". Because they can attract talent on an ideological level, they just don't need to care on a day to day level. See also all the military-level secrecy, cult-like behavior, etc etc. Other companies try to mealy-mouth their way around the facts of life, most of the time, because they have an "evil" image so wouldn't be able to recruit otherwise.
- soiler 4y ago
  I think it's not as simple as "action x => result y". it's a messy art more than a science. Apple is trying x, y, and z. Google tried a, b, and c. Both companies have different circumstances, different employees, different shareholder mandates, etc. And of course every CEO would like to be the one who solves Industry-Wide Problem in the best way (less public backlash, more savings, whatever your metric is)
baud147258 4y ago
> restricting new slack channels how is restricting the creation of chatrooms in a communication tool that's likely provided by the company in any way comparable to any of your other examples? If Slack is provided by your company, they would likely have mean to get everything you might have written there, that's already an incentive to move any discussion the company might frown on (like talk of unionizing efforts) on another platform that's not controlled by them.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Separating workers from each other is a primary focus of fighting unionization, even to the point of starting and dismissing shifts in staggered groups. Work is where workers see each other. A lot of organizing is done at bus stops near places of work, or just outside of parking lots talking through car windows. Workers at work should have the ability to discuss their jobs with each other. edit: I don't know if I made this clear enough, but you cant just tell people at your job to go to a website if you only see two or three of them at a time, and since your employer has invented a new policy against "handing out political literature" you can't even print business cards with the website on them and hand them to people without risking termination for cause.
  - baud147258 4y ago
    it just feels like a petty move compared to actual union busting effort. And instead of a link to a website, put a QR code with an invite to a discord server on that business card, where the channel #resources links to the appropriate manifesto and leaflets... > Workers at work should have the ability to discuss their jobs with each other. yes. But that's not necessarily the obligation of the company to provide them a tool to do so, hence my comment about using another platform
- 0x457 4y ago
  Slack doesn't share DMs and private rooms without court order.

Union-busting, NDA’s, restricting new slack channels, non-competes - all the usual ways!

by rmorey 4y ago

Union-busting, NDA’s, restricting new slack channels, non-competes - all the usual ways!

This response just turns my question into: why haven't the usual ways been sufficient for the rest of the tech companies? why are the usual ways still sufficient for apple but not for the others???

whatshisface 4y ago
Apple still might do a big layoff.
toyg 4y ago
From what I read, Apple has never been ashamed of running on a model that clearly states "this is not a democracy, Dear Leader has all the power". Because they can attract talent on an ideological level, they just don't need to care on a day to day level. See also all the military-level secrecy, cult-like behavior, etc etc. Other companies try to mealy-mouth their way around the facts of life, most of the time, because they have an "evil" image so wouldn't be able to recruit otherwise.
soiler 4y ago
I think it's not as simple as "action x => result y". it's a messy art more than a science. Apple is trying x, y, and z. Google tried a, b, and c. Both companies have different circumstances, different employees, different shareholder mandates, etc. And of course every CEO would like to be the one who solves Industry-Wide Problem in the best way (less public backlash, more savings, whatever your metric is)

baud147258 4y ago

> restricting new slack channels how is restricting the creation of chatrooms in a communication tool that's likely provided by the company in any way comparable to any of your other examples? If Slack is provided by your company, they would likely have mean to get everything you might have written there, that's already an incentive to move any discussion the company might frown on (like talk of unionizing efforts) on another platform that's not controlled by them.

pessimizer 4y ago
Separating workers from each other is a primary focus of fighting unionization, even to the point of starting and dismissing shifts in staggered groups. Work is where workers see each other. A lot of organizing is done at bus stops near places of work, or just outside of parking lots talking through car windows. Workers at work should have the ability to discuss their jobs with each other. edit: I don't know if I made this clear enough, but you cant just tell people at your job to go to a website if you only see two or three of them at a time, and since your employer has invented a new policy against "handing out political literature" you can't even print business cards with the website on them and hand them to people without risking termination for cause.
- baud147258 4y ago
  it just feels like a petty move compared to actual union busting effort. And instead of a link to a website, put a QR code with an invite to a discord server on that business card, where the channel #resources links to the appropriate manifesto and leaflets... > Workers at work should have the ability to discuss their jobs with each other. yes. But that's not necessarily the obligation of the company to provide them a tool to do so, hence my comment about using another platform
0x457 4y ago
Slack doesn't share DMs and private rooms without court order.