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Or rinse and use mouthwash with fluoride and leave that. Brush from top to bottom, not side to side. "Scrape" your tooth when flossing. Seems like way too many

Or rinse and use mouthwash with fluoride and leave that. Brush from top to bottom, not side to side. "Scrape" your tooth when flossing. Seems like way too many never learn these basics.

lm28469 4y ago
> "Scrape" your tooth when flossing. Seems like way too many never learn these basics. Nothing proves flossing is beneficial actually
- BizarreByte 4y ago
  A nothing proves it isn’t, so you might as well spend the extra minute or two and do it.
  - lm28469 4y ago
    Well: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/dental-floss-harmful-chemicals/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/dental-fl... Also, nothing doesn't prove eating twelve apples per day cures cancer so why not try it ?
    - BizarreByte 4y ago
      Because I would probably feel sick if I ate that many apples per day. Flossing is low effort, why not do it?
  - Majestic121 4y ago
    That's quite a weird answer. All else being equal, it's obviously better not to spend an extra minute or two doing something useless. If you think it is not actually equal, and that scraping is indeed better, well say so and qualify your statement. You can even say that it's recommended by dentists, it's an authority argument but it surely is better than nothing.
    - BizarreByte 4y ago
      I do think it’s worth the time. My teeth feel significantly cleaner after doing so and it removes stuff my brush can’t reach no matter how much I try. I’m not sure why I have have to defend flossing of all things. I’m not trained in that field, neither are you, we should listen to the people who are and guess what? They almost all recommend flossing. That argument was accepted with COVID vaccines, so why not now?
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      - pb7 4y ago
        > That argument was accepted with COVID vaccines, so why not now? Far from universally and even in the pockets where it was, at least some percentage did it just to be able to go back to doing normal things which were gated by government rules. Don’t do anything blindly. They won’t be the ones bearing the cost if and when something goes wrong.
      - CorrectHorseBat 4y ago
        You said >A nothing proves it isn’t, so you might as well That's completely different from >I’m not trained in that field, neither are you, we should listen to the people who are and guess what? They almost all recommend flossing.
- g3e0 4y ago
  Smell the floss ;)
- spicyusername 4y ago
  What is there to prove...? If the goal of toothbrushing and flossing is to remove bacteria and food debris from your mouth, hopefully an uncontroversial premise, it's pretty obvious how flossing helps. Just flossing and carefully watching the action of the floss and the plaque is sufficient to demonstrate the benefit. Sometimes your common sense is more than enough to make sense of the world, no ivy league double blind study required.
  - shard 4y ago
    It's a question of return on investment. If spending the extra minute everyday saves a probable $10k over your lifetime due to dental work, then yes it might be worth it. But if it saves a probable $10, it might not.
    - kodt 4y ago
      Not flossing makes your dental visits longer as they scrape off all the plaque from in-between your teeth. Just avoiding that discomfort is worth it IMO. I suppose you could skip going to the dentist altogether but that comes with risks of larger issues down the road.
    - spicyusername 4y ago
      The cost of the dental work pales in comparison to the value of keeping your natural teeth, which is going to be much much much higher than $10k over your lifetime.
- oarfish 4y ago
  I think i read somewhere that the reason for this is that virtually all dentists agree you should clean your entire tooth, and the consensus is so universal that no one bothers to do controlled trials. I would feel bad not cleaning half of the surface area at all anyways.
- derbOac 4y ago
  Meta-analyses of RCTs do indicate flossing prevents gum disease, though, which is important. See another poster in this thread who suffered bone loss as a result of gum disease. You're right though that there's no established effect on cavities. Having said that, it's difficult to get people to actually floss, so there's a certain amount of uncertainty about the results of those RCTs, and whether participants were doing what they were supposed to be doing.
raspyberr 4y ago
Don't use mouthwash straight after brushing. Seems like way too many never learn these basics. https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-teeth-and-gums/how-to-keep-your-teeth-clean/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-teeth-and-gums/how-to-k...
- moffkalast 4y ago
  > It doesn't matter whether you use an electric or manual toothbrush. They're both equally good That's just so wrong already. Regular toothbrushes are absolute trash compared to sonics, every dentist will tell you that. > don't use mouthwash (even a fluoride one) straight after brushing your teeth or it'll wash away the concentrated fluoride in the toothpaste left on your teeth So in a nutshell, don't use it because it'll wash away the flouride... that you've already rinsed out. Yeah not much of a minus there.
  - wingworks 4y ago
    I've heard that studies found that electric vs manual can both do a sufficient clean. But the issue is, most people don't know the proper technique to use a manual brush effectively. So even if you do a half ass job with an electric brush, it's still better then what most would do with a manual.
mhb 4y ago
> Brush from top to bottom, not side to side. Gonna need a cite on that. Pretty sure the recommendation is to hold the brush at 45 degrees and use circular movements.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  Interesting. My dentist always told me the direction must be from the root to the top otherwise you would just push the remains of food into the gums - and it seems like a logical advice to follow.
  - wingworks 4y ago
    This dental hygienist also says to use a circular motion at and angle. https://youtu.be/FFq-2aA6m8Y?t=50 https://youtu.be/FFq-2aA6m8Y?t=50 Maybe bring this up in your next session.
wingworks 4y ago
I blame movies. Nearly every brushing scene has the actor scrub brushing like it's nobodies business.

Or rinse and use mouthwash with fluoride and leave that. Brush from top to bottom, not side to side. "Scrape" your tooth when flossing. Seems like way too many never learn these basics.

lm28469 4y ago

> "Scrape" your tooth when flossing. Seems like way too many never learn these basics. Nothing proves flossing is beneficial actually

BizarreByte 4y ago
A nothing proves it isn’t, so you might as well spend the extra minute or two and do it.
- lm28469 4y ago
  Well: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/dental-floss-harmful-chemicals/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/dental-fl... Also, nothing doesn't prove eating twelve apples per day cures cancer so why not try it ?
  - BizarreByte 4y ago
    Because I would probably feel sick if I ate that many apples per day. Flossing is low effort, why not do it?
- Majestic121 4y ago
  That's quite a weird answer. All else being equal, it's obviously better not to spend an extra minute or two doing something useless. If you think it is not actually equal, and that scraping is indeed better, well say so and qualify your statement. You can even say that it's recommended by dentists, it's an authority argument but it surely is better than nothing.
  - BizarreByte 4y ago
    I do think it’s worth the time. My teeth feel significantly cleaner after doing so and it removes stuff my brush can’t reach no matter how much I try. I’m not sure why I have have to defend flossing of all things. I’m not trained in that field, neither are you, we should listen to the people who are and guess what? They almost all recommend flossing. That argument was accepted with COVID vaccines, so why not now?
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - pb7 4y ago
      > That argument was accepted with COVID vaccines, so why not now? Far from universally and even in the pockets where it was, at least some percentage did it just to be able to go back to doing normal things which were gated by government rules. Don’t do anything blindly. They won’t be the ones bearing the cost if and when something goes wrong.
    - CorrectHorseBat 4y ago
      You said >A nothing proves it isn’t, so you might as well That's completely different from >I’m not trained in that field, neither are you, we should listen to the people who are and guess what? They almost all recommend flossing.
g3e0 4y ago
Smell the floss ;)
spicyusername 4y ago
What is there to prove...? If the goal of toothbrushing and flossing is to remove bacteria and food debris from your mouth, hopefully an uncontroversial premise, it's pretty obvious how flossing helps. Just flossing and carefully watching the action of the floss and the plaque is sufficient to demonstrate the benefit. Sometimes your common sense is more than enough to make sense of the world, no ivy league double blind study required.
- shard 4y ago
  It's a question of return on investment. If spending the extra minute everyday saves a probable $10k over your lifetime due to dental work, then yes it might be worth it. But if it saves a probable $10, it might not.
  - kodt 4y ago
    Not flossing makes your dental visits longer as they scrape off all the plaque from in-between your teeth. Just avoiding that discomfort is worth it IMO. I suppose you could skip going to the dentist altogether but that comes with risks of larger issues down the road.
  - spicyusername 4y ago
    The cost of the dental work pales in comparison to the value of keeping your natural teeth, which is going to be much much much higher than $10k over your lifetime.
oarfish 4y ago
I think i read somewhere that the reason for this is that virtually all dentists agree you should clean your entire tooth, and the consensus is so universal that no one bothers to do controlled trials. I would feel bad not cleaning half of the surface area at all anyways.
derbOac 4y ago
Meta-analyses of RCTs do indicate flossing prevents gum disease, though, which is important. See another poster in this thread who suffered bone loss as a result of gum disease. You're right though that there's no established effect on cavities. Having said that, it's difficult to get people to actually floss, so there's a certain amount of uncertainty about the results of those RCTs, and whether participants were doing what they were supposed to be doing.

raspyberr 4y ago

Don't use mouthwash straight after brushing. Seems like way too many never learn these basics. https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-teeth-and-gums/how-to-keep-your-teeth-clean/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-teeth-and-gums/how-to-k...

moffkalast 4y ago
> It doesn't matter whether you use an electric or manual toothbrush. They're both equally good That's just so wrong already. Regular toothbrushes are absolute trash compared to sonics, every dentist will tell you that. > don't use mouthwash (even a fluoride one) straight after brushing your teeth or it'll wash away the concentrated fluoride in the toothpaste left on your teeth So in a nutshell, don't use it because it'll wash away the flouride... that you've already rinsed out. Yeah not much of a minus there.
- wingworks 4y ago
  I've heard that studies found that electric vs manual can both do a sufficient clean. But the issue is, most people don't know the proper technique to use a manual brush effectively. So even if you do a half ass job with an electric brush, it's still better then what most would do with a manual.

mhb 4y ago

> Brush from top to bottom, not side to side. Gonna need a cite on that. Pretty sure the recommendation is to hold the brush at 45 degrees and use circular movements.

hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
Interesting. My dentist always told me the direction must be from the root to the top otherwise you would just push the remains of food into the gums - and it seems like a logical advice to follow.
- wingworks 4y ago
  This dental hygienist also says to use a circular motion at and angle. https://youtu.be/FFq-2aA6m8Y?t=50 https://youtu.be/FFq-2aA6m8Y?t=50 Maybe bring this up in your next session.

wingworks 4y ago

I blame movies. Nearly every brushing scene has the actor scrub brushing like it's nobodies business.