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A new Linux distro: Hadron is ready

17 points by alpb 15y ago

xxqs 15y ago
they feel themselves so cool that they don't bother explaining why one would need to use it. is it targeted for server use? desktop? embedded system? mobile system? How is it better than anything else? and, how long is it going to be supported and how big is the core team? (let me guess: just one developer and one user who is also the developer)
- aw3c2 15y ago
  The homepage itself is the "About" section and explains some aspects: http://hadronproject.org/ http://hadronproject.org/
  - xxqs 15y ago
    yes, I've seen it and a couple of other pages. Still there's no answer on why one would want to use it, as well as my other questions above
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  - xxqs 15y ago
    more generally, what problem does it solve? a tool that solves a nonexisting problem is quite useless in itself
jeffdechambeau 15y ago
What's the logic behind these pointless distros? "I was given access to the most amazing tools and technology humanity has ever known and was born with an incredibly ability to use them. Now I'm going to go out of my way to make it harder for others to follow in my footsteps." It's a massive shame that such a specific and high level skill-set is squandered doing something so completely useless.
- srl 15y ago
  > What's the logic behind these pointless distros? Distros, like IRC bots and text editors, are a popular (to use ESR's phrase) "finger exercise". It's fun; nothing more is needed.
portmanteaufu 15y ago
Some bits from the 'about' page: 1. The distribution does not provide pre-compiled packages. It only provides package building scripts .... 2. Hadron is fully free. It only contains free(free as in freedom) software. 3. As possible as up-to-date and stable. Reading the first two points together, do I understand correctly that I cannot use the package manager to install proprietary binaries like graphics drivers? Is there room for flexibility akin to Arch's AUR setup for user-management of such packages? What does that third point mean, exactly? Am I dealing with something closer to Debian Stable or a rolling-release system?
koenigdavidmj 15y ago
What does this get me that Gentoo does not?
- rosser 15y ago
  The only thing I can think of is that Hadron is completely Free Software. I don't know of any way on Gentoo to not use non-Free, particularly in satisfying dependencies. (It's been a Very Long Time since I've touched Gentoo, though; that may have changed.)
  - koenigdavidmj 15y ago
    Gentoo has a license masking feature described at [1]. You specify in make.conf a list of licenses that you like and do not like, and it will not install things that do not match that mask. 1: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2&chap=1 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=...
- Jach 15y ago
  My thoughts exactly. The power user market is saturated with Gentoo/Arch/BSDs and even Debian for some, we really don't need any more right now. I was hoping this was a new user-friendly competitor to Ubuntu because I can't recommend Ubuntu to newcomers anymore and Fedora and Mint always rubbed me the wrong way.
ozten 15y ago
Am I the only one who read that as "Hardon is ready"?
- thehodge 15y ago
  No, thats exactly how I read it
- xxqs 15y ago
  me too :)
runjake 15y ago
A few things bother me: 1.) On the About page, the very first sentence states "Hadron is a Unix distribution which is based on Linux kernel and GNU operating system". Linux is not Unix, but they refer to it as "Unix" throughout the website. I'm not trying to be pedantic, but to me, this demonstrates poor situational and historical awareness. 2.) Who's responsible for this project? It's not straightforward to figure that out. 3.) A new package manager I've never heard of. This is fine, but combined with #2 -- I'll wait a while.
- sciurus 15y ago
  It looks like the creator is Burak Sezer, "a Metallurgical & Materials Engineering student at Yildiz Technical University from Istanbul". His website is http://purak.org/ http://purak.org/ According to http://purak.org/blog/2011/02/24/new-post/ http://purak.org/blog/2011/02/24/new-post/ he had previously maintained a Gentoo derivative.
- eru 15y ago
  Keep in mind that the authors' first language isn't English.
ayiteddybear 15y ago
another pointless distro from Turkey after the Turkish government screwed up Pardus? No thanks.
SomeOtherGuy 15y ago
>These patterns are mostly borrowed from BSD family and Gentoo Linux. No. Stop blaming your horrible distros on BSDs. All the BSDs provide binary packages and encourage users to use them. Typing "make install" and watching the build script compile and package an identical binary package as the one on the public FTP servers is not learning anything, and does not make your system "advanced". Exposing the package build system to users lets them build custom packages when needed. It makes absolutely no sense to then say "we won't provide any binary packages for you" and force everyone to always compile everything themselves.
jorgecastillo 15y ago
http://hadronproject.org/answers/ http://hadronproject.org/answers/ >6- Why did you create a new distro? Because we can. I am probably going to get my karma downgraded but I have to say what I think. The world doesn't need another me too Linux distro, what a waste.
- derekp7 15y ago
  I think one valid reason for creating a new distribution is if you have some architectural ideas you want to experiment with. A fresh distro may be easier then trying to modify an existing one, due to fewer cascading effects of your changes. But in that case, I would start with something like Linux from Scratch and go from there. Ideas that I've personally wanted to work on involve system initialization procedures (this was before Upstart came around), packaging tools, overall package layouts, etc. But if I did that I probably wouldn't promote the distro, since it would probably be useless to anyone else but those working on the specific projects.
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redthrowaway 15y ago
This really seems like an Archier Arch, but harder to use. What's the rationale, and what distinguishes it from the other minimalist distros?
ChuckMcM 15y ago
I liked the flying cow : http://www.gnu.org/graphics/gnu-and-penguin-color-300x276.png http://www.gnu.org/graphics/gnu-and-penguin-color-300x276.pn... (I suppose its a wildebeast but it looks like a cow) "As you may know, Hadron has only two active developers, me and seqizz. In order to develop Hadron healthfully, we need more developers." -- Burak Sezer Basically a couple of guys built a package management system and then used that to create a Linux distribution. They don't know the difference between Unix and Linux and they don't have any real reason for creating a new distro other than they could, and they are very enthusiastic about it. It brings back fond memories of folks running out to create a rock band. Best of luck guys!
seqizz 15y ago
Hi guys. I'm the one of them involved in this. Thanks for your time and comments. Hadron was just a prototype and we made it for "fun". Yes you've read it right. We're not trying to compete with another distro. We don't "aim" somewhere also. It's too fresh to aim somewhere. We don't even desktop environments in our repo (except xfce). As xxqs said, we're not more than 3 people. (I guess that's because we're in Turkey, but it's long story). We made Hadron in a few night hours. Again, Hadron is an alive prototype. We've released it so you can check a new package management system. Which we think is good enough to continue. Eh? About the "Unix" thing, I guess it's a typo. Thanks for pointing it.

17 points by alpb 15y ago

xxqs 15y ago

they feel themselves so cool that they don't bother explaining why one would need to use it. is it targeted for server use? desktop? embedded system? mobile system? How is it better than anything else? and, how long is it going to be supported and how big is the core team? (let me guess: just one developer and one user who is also the developer)

aw3c2 15y ago
The homepage itself is the "About" section and explains some aspects: http://hadronproject.org/ http://hadronproject.org/
- xxqs 15y ago
  yes, I've seen it and a couple of other pages. Still there's no answer on why one would want to use it, as well as my other questions above
  - deleted 15y ago
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- xxqs 15y ago
  more generally, what problem does it solve? a tool that solves a nonexisting problem is quite useless in itself

jeffdechambeau 15y ago

What's the logic behind these pointless distros? "I was given access to the most amazing tools and technology humanity has ever known and was born with an incredibly ability to use them. Now I'm going to go out of my way to make it harder for others to follow in my footsteps." It's a massive shame that such a specific and high level skill-set is squandered doing something so completely useless.

srl 15y ago
> What's the logic behind these pointless distros? Distros, like IRC bots and text editors, are a popular (to use ESR's phrase) "finger exercise". It's fun; nothing more is needed.

portmanteaufu 15y ago

Some bits from the 'about' page: 1. The distribution does not provide pre-compiled packages. It only provides package building scripts .... 2. Hadron is fully free. It only contains free(free as in freedom) software. 3. As possible as up-to-date and stable. Reading the first two points together, do I understand correctly that I cannot use the package manager to install proprietary binaries like graphics drivers? Is there room for flexibility akin to Arch's AUR setup for user-management of such packages? What does that third point mean, exactly? Am I dealing with something closer to Debian Stable or a rolling-release system?

koenigdavidmj 15y ago

What does this get me that Gentoo does not?

rosser 15y ago
The only thing I can think of is that Hadron is completely Free Software. I don't know of any way on Gentoo to not use non-Free, particularly in satisfying dependencies. (It's been a Very Long Time since I've touched Gentoo, though; that may have changed.)
- koenigdavidmj 15y ago
  Gentoo has a license masking feature described at [1]. You specify in make.conf a list of licenses that you like and do not like, and it will not install things that do not match that mask. 1: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2&chap=1 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=...
Jach 15y ago
My thoughts exactly. The power user market is saturated with Gentoo/Arch/BSDs and even Debian for some, we really don't need any more right now. I was hoping this was a new user-friendly competitor to Ubuntu because I can't recommend Ubuntu to newcomers anymore and Fedora and Mint always rubbed me the wrong way.

ozten 15y ago

Am I the only one who read that as "Hardon is ready"?

thehodge 15y ago
No, thats exactly how I read it
xxqs 15y ago
me too :)

runjake 15y ago

A few things bother me: 1.) On the About page, the very first sentence states "Hadron is a Unix distribution which is based on Linux kernel and GNU operating system". Linux is not Unix, but they refer to it as "Unix" throughout the website. I'm not trying to be pedantic, but to me, this demonstrates poor situational and historical awareness. 2.) Who's responsible for this project? It's not straightforward to figure that out. 3.) A new package manager I've never heard of. This is fine, but combined with #2 -- I'll wait a while.

sciurus 15y ago
It looks like the creator is Burak Sezer, "a Metallurgical & Materials Engineering student at Yildiz Technical University from Istanbul". His website is http://purak.org/ http://purak.org/ According to http://purak.org/blog/2011/02/24/new-post/ http://purak.org/blog/2011/02/24/new-post/ he had previously maintained a Gentoo derivative.
eru 15y ago
Keep in mind that the authors' first language isn't English.

ayiteddybear 15y ago

another pointless distro from Turkey after the Turkish government screwed up Pardus? No thanks.

SomeOtherGuy 15y ago

>These patterns are mostly borrowed from BSD family and Gentoo Linux. No. Stop blaming your horrible distros on BSDs. All the BSDs provide binary packages and encourage users to use them. Typing "make install" and watching the build script compile and package an identical binary package as the one on the public FTP servers is not learning anything, and does not make your system "advanced". Exposing the package build system to users lets them build custom packages when needed. It makes absolutely no sense to then say "we won't provide any binary packages for you" and force everyone to always compile everything themselves.

jorgecastillo 15y ago

http://hadronproject.org/answers/ http://hadronproject.org/answers/ >6- Why did you create a new distro? Because we can. I am probably going to get my karma downgraded but I have to say what I think. The world doesn't need another me too Linux distro, what a waste.

derekp7 15y ago
I think one valid reason for creating a new distribution is if you have some architectural ideas you want to experiment with. A fresh distro may be easier then trying to modify an existing one, due to fewer cascading effects of your changes. But in that case, I would start with something like Linux from Scratch and go from there. Ideas that I've personally wanted to work on involve system initialization procedures (this was before Upstart came around), packaging tools, overall package layouts, etc. But if I did that I probably wouldn't promote the distro, since it would probably be useless to anyone else but those working on the specific projects.

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redthrowaway 15y ago

This really seems like an Archier Arch, but harder to use. What's the rationale, and what distinguishes it from the other minimalist distros?

ChuckMcM 15y ago

I liked the flying cow : http://www.gnu.org/graphics/gnu-and-penguin-color-300x276.png http://www.gnu.org/graphics/gnu-and-penguin-color-300x276.pn... (I suppose its a wildebeast but it looks like a cow) "As you may know, Hadron has only two active developers, me and seqizz. In order to develop Hadron healthfully, we need more developers." -- Burak Sezer Basically a couple of guys built a package management system and then used that to create a Linux distribution. They don't know the difference between Unix and Linux and they don't have any real reason for creating a new distro other than they could, and they are very enthusiastic about it. It brings back fond memories of folks running out to create a rock band. Best of luck guys!

seqizz 15y ago

Hi guys. I'm the one of them involved in this. Thanks for your time and comments. Hadron was just a prototype and we made it for "fun". Yes you've read it right. We're not trying to compete with another distro. We don't "aim" somewhere also. It's too fresh to aim somewhere. We don't even desktop environments in our repo (except xfce). As xxqs said, we're not more than 3 people. (I guess that's because we're in Turkey, but it's long story). We made Hadron in a few night hours. Again, Hadron is an alive prototype. We've released it so you can check a new package management system. Which we think is good enough to continue. Eh? About the "Unix" thing, I guess it's a typo. Thanks for pointing it.