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I don't know where you did STEM related education, but in my environment a women in a group project would get extra points relative to the rest. So I saw the ex

I don't know where you did STEM related education, but in my environment a women in a group project would get extra points relative to the rest. So I saw the exact opposite of what you describe. And at work, women seems to rise to management levels easier than men. But hey, this is EU, not US. Edit: you're pointing me to something that happened in 1890? WTF???

defrost 4y ago
> 100% historically discriminatory to women You replied to a comment about historically - and what was once a pattern still persists to a lesser degree. The roots of higher education were laid with the exclusion of women baked in.
- koonsolo 4y ago
  So women are now excluded from education like the olden days? Wtf?
  - defrost 4y ago
    Indeed .. why exactly would you think that? Is this your thing is it, incorrectly framing what others write and then appending. Wtf?
    - koonsolo 4y ago
      You claim that STEM discriminates women today because of something that happened in 1890. I would like to see some evidence of that related to today, not something from 1890. And not your empty statement of "what was once a pattern still persists to a lesser degree". Maybe here is something you should read, which refers to the state as it is today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox#:~:text=The%20gender%2Dequality%20paradox%20is,values%2C%20occupational%20and%20educational%20choices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox#:~:tex....
      - defrost 4y ago
        > You claim that STEM discriminates women today because of something that happened in 1890. No. You claim that I made that claim. I made no assertation of causal linkage, I merely pointed out a historic fact about the roots of modern education in the UK and US.
        koonsolo 4y ago
        Your words: > and what was once a pattern still persists to a lesser degree.
        defrost 4y ago
        . . . and you read that as evidence of a causal relationship then? And you'd like me to defend something that you see there? This is your thing is it, framing what others say and then demanding they defend your reading?

defrost 4y ago

> 100% historically discriminatory to women You replied to a comment about historically - and what was once a pattern still persists to a lesser degree. The roots of higher education were laid with the exclusion of women baked in.

koonsolo 4y ago
So women are now excluded from education like the olden days? Wtf?
- defrost 4y ago
  Indeed .. why exactly would you think that? Is this your thing is it, incorrectly framing what others write and then appending. Wtf?
  - koonsolo 4y ago
    You claim that STEM discriminates women today because of something that happened in 1890. I would like to see some evidence of that related to today, not something from 1890. And not your empty statement of "what was once a pattern still persists to a lesser degree". Maybe here is something you should read, which refers to the state as it is today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox#:~:text=The%20gender%2Dequality%20paradox%20is,values%2C%20occupational%20and%20educational%20choices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox#:~:tex....
    - defrost 4y ago
      > You claim that STEM discriminates women today because of something that happened in 1890. No. You claim that I made that claim. I made no assertation of causal linkage, I merely pointed out a historic fact about the roots of modern education in the UK and US.
      - koonsolo 4y ago
        Your words: > and what was once a pattern still persists to a lesser degree.
        defrost 4y ago
        . . . and you read that as evidence of a causal relationship then? And you'd like me to defend something that you see there? This is your thing is it, framing what others say and then demanding they defend your reading?