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While I think your first examples are fine, I think whether it is okay that a service provider forces their decisions on someone is also a matter of size and sc

by atoav 4y ago

While I think your first examples are fine, I think whether it is okay that a service provider forces their decisions on someone is also a matter of size and scope. E.g. some food chain deciding not to sell a certain type of wine (for ethical, or totally selfish reasons) has no huge impact on the rights of others, because there are many other food chains and even if there were not drinking a certain wine. The bigger the company and the more it's services resemble the public square the less a company should be able to just decide freely what people are able to see.

josephg 4y ago
> The bigger the company and the more it's services resemble the public square the less a company should be able to just decide freely what people are able to see. I absolutely agree. This is why I call out Apple. Either they're a marketplace that should resemble the public square (and thus include adult content in their app store). Or they're one company amongst many competing for customers - in which case the iPhone should allow other app stores. I don't think they can play it both ways. Visa and Mastercard are also guilty of this. They often make it very difficult for adult performers to get paid with their policies. If they're like the public square for money, then they should allow any customer within the bounds of the law. If they're a businesses competing, then we need more competition. POS terminals should be extensible and able to support newcomers to the payment space to allow for more competition.
Akronymus 4y ago
> While I think your first examples are fine, I think whether it is okay that a service provider forces their decisions on someone is also a matter of size and scope. I think certain services, like custom orders, should always be able to be refused (I don't agree with putting message x on it), while service in general should be VERY hard to be refused. (Stuff like being banned from a store for shoplifting is obviously one of the things that should allow general service to be refused) IMO stores/marketplace that place themselves as "publishers" aka, vetting their products and such should have the right/obligation to refuse carrying products they don't want. But also be responsible for products they DO carry. While marketplaces where essentially anyone can sell on, like ebay, should indeed be treated like the public square.

by atoav 4y ago

josephg 4y ago

> The bigger the company and the more it's services resemble the public square the less a company should be able to just decide freely what people are able to see. I absolutely agree. This is why I call out Apple. Either they're a marketplace that should resemble the public square (and thus include adult content in their app store). Or they're one company amongst many competing for customers - in which case the iPhone should allow other app stores. I don't think they can play it both ways. Visa and Mastercard are also guilty of this. They often make it very difficult for adult performers to get paid with their policies. If they're like the public square for money, then they should allow any customer within the bounds of the law. If they're a businesses competing, then we need more competition. POS terminals should be extensible and able to support newcomers to the payment space to allow for more competition.

Akronymus 4y ago

> While I think your first examples are fine, I think whether it is okay that a service provider forces their decisions on someone is also a matter of size and scope. I think certain services, like custom orders, should always be able to be refused (I don't agree with putting message x on it), while service in general should be VERY hard to be refused. (Stuff like being banned from a store for shoplifting is obviously one of the things that should allow general service to be refused) IMO stores/marketplace that place themselves as "publishers" aka, vetting their products and such should have the right/obligation to refuse carrying products they don't want. But also be responsible for products they DO carry. While marketplaces where essentially anyone can sell on, like ebay, should indeed be treated like the public square.