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Not quite - would you want a brothel or a casino to open next door in the middle of a quiet residential neighborhood? Otherwise I’m with you, no reason why shop

by ido 4y ago

Not quite - would you want a brothel or a casino to open next door in the middle of a quiet residential neighborhood? Otherwise I’m with you, no reason why shops/restaurants/offices/light industry (one that doesn’t create too much noise/pollution) etc shouldn’t be on the same street as housing.

larsiusprime 4y ago
To be fair, you can regulate against brothels and casinos without resorting to Euclidean zoning, especially mandatory single family zoning and parking mandates.
- ido 4y ago
  Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing - I live in a residential neighborhood in Berlin and there are 2 bakeries, a bar and a couple ground-floor offices in my little street alone. The street after that has many shops, restaurants, a post office, etc. It's great!
Ekaros 4y ago
Why shouldn't brothel be allowed? Maybe not show explicit outside advertising, but I don't really see how one would hurt. They don't have that much traffic, and we already had peepshows and sextoy and porn shops that actually blended quite well in. Casinos maybe not, too much traffic. Though I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be in a shopping mall for example.
- ido 4y ago
  Both attract crime.
  - bobkazamakis 4y ago
    so does a bar and a gas station. "Look at all the crime in cities!" Yes, that is where people live.
    - ido 4y ago
      Not to the same extent as a casino. Maybe "bar" means something else in America, in Germany it's just a place people go to have a drink after work (like "Cheers"). It's not expected to get shitface drunk in them and they are legally obliged to keep quiet outside after 10pm.
      - Ekaros 4y ago
        You are telling me that these junkies are never violent and there is never fights? As such crime. Or they(bars) don't get robbed or gather loud undesirable people?
        ido 4y ago
        Not the same as a casino or brothel. And if it's the kind of bar that does it would get as many complaints (as soon as they make noise after 10PM they'd start getting people calling the police on them). All the bars I know in my neighborhood don't get the kind of trouble you describe (at least not often enough that I ever noticed it). But it may also be a cultural difference between Germany/Austria and US/UK - bars/pubs are just not that troublesome here.
  - amrocha 4y ago
    I don't think that's true, or that it really matters. There's plenty of brothels in Tokyo and crime is as low as it gets. But even if it did, why should we use zoning to determine where crime is allowed to happen and where it isn't? Address the problem, don't just push it off somewhere else.
danuker 4y ago
You could zone by noise levels.
Schroedingersat 4y ago
Casinos shouldn't exist anywhere, and as long as the brothel isn't loud, there isn't any trafficking or abuse of the workers, and it doesn't external advertising, I don't see the problem.

by ido 4y ago

larsiusprime 4y ago

To be fair, you can regulate against brothels and casinos without resorting to Euclidean zoning, especially mandatory single family zoning and parking mandates.

ido 4y ago
Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing - I live in a residential neighborhood in Berlin and there are 2 bakeries, a bar and a couple ground-floor offices in my little street alone. The street after that has many shops, restaurants, a post office, etc. It's great!

Ekaros 4y ago

Why shouldn't brothel be allowed? Maybe not show explicit outside advertising, but I don't really see how one would hurt. They don't have that much traffic, and we already had peepshows and sextoy and porn shops that actually blended quite well in. Casinos maybe not, too much traffic. Though I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be in a shopping mall for example.

ido 4y ago
Both attract crime.
- bobkazamakis 4y ago
  so does a bar and a gas station. "Look at all the crime in cities!" Yes, that is where people live.
  - ido 4y ago
    Not to the same extent as a casino. Maybe "bar" means something else in America, in Germany it's just a place people go to have a drink after work (like "Cheers"). It's not expected to get shitface drunk in them and they are legally obliged to keep quiet outside after 10pm.
    - Ekaros 4y ago
      You are telling me that these junkies are never violent and there is never fights? As such crime. Or they(bars) don't get robbed or gather loud undesirable people?
      - ido 4y ago
        Not the same as a casino or brothel. And if it's the kind of bar that does it would get as many complaints (as soon as they make noise after 10PM they'd start getting people calling the police on them). All the bars I know in my neighborhood don't get the kind of trouble you describe (at least not often enough that I ever noticed it). But it may also be a cultural difference between Germany/Austria and US/UK - bars/pubs are just not that troublesome here.
- amrocha 4y ago
  I don't think that's true, or that it really matters. There's plenty of brothels in Tokyo and crime is as low as it gets. But even if it did, why should we use zoning to determine where crime is allowed to happen and where it isn't? Address the problem, don't just push it off somewhere else.

danuker 4y ago

You could zone by noise levels.

Schroedingersat 4y ago

Casinos shouldn't exist anywhere, and as long as the brothel isn't loud, there isn't any trafficking or abuse of the workers, and it doesn't external advertising, I don't see the problem.