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Had a manager at one job tell me explicitly that they gave an interview to a candidate but knew it wouldn't move forward to a hire since they wanted to hire a w

Had a manager at one job tell me explicitly that they gave an interview to a candidate but knew it wouldn't move forward to a hire since they wanted to hire a woman. I felt gross hearing and knowing that but it was said and not written so there was nothing I could do about it. And I probably would've gotten fired for raising an issue even if I did have that in writing.

ipaddr 4y ago
By you sharing you have added some good to a bad situation.
eh9 4y ago
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- ocdtrekkie 4y ago
  HR roles, like most others, are numbers driven. Recruiters are expected to deliver a number of applicants, interview a number of candidates, etc. This means that yes, they often interview people they have no intention to hire: It makes the HR person look good. This can happen if they have a diversity hire directive but interview non-diverse candidates, but it can also happen if they want to hire a white guy but have a company directive to interview diverse candidates for every role. Either way, they can say they looked at everyone before hiring whatever candidate they wanted.
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  I dunno where you all are working but I've never worked on any software team that was exclusively white and male.
  - eh9 4y ago
    Of course, statistically speaking, it was probably only 80-90% white male.
    - bluefirebrand 4y ago
      Skewing heavily male I will grant you, but not even close to being majority white in almost all cases. But that puts it right in line with your average computer science or software engineering cohort at any given university, so I'm really not sure what your problem is. Like I get you might think it's unfair there aren't more women in software but I'm not sure what you want us to do about that my dude. We can't just force more girls into software if they aren't interested in it.
    - scarmig 4y ago
      Probably like 75% male. But at most 25% white male.
      - eh9 4y ago
        Nope. It’s a lot whiter than u think https://www.eeoc.gov/special-report/diversity-high-tech https://www.eeoc.gov/special-report/diversity-high-tech
        scarmig 4y ago
        Closest thing I can find that seems relevant in there: "Compared to overall private industry, the high tech sector employed a larger share of whites (63.5 percent to 68.5 percent), Asian Americans (5.8 percent to 14 percent) and men (52 percent to 64 percent" First point would be that doesn't really support your contention that 90% of tech employees are white men. That said, they can't be measuring what we think of as tech; it's certainly more than the claimed 64% male. I'm pretty sure that restricted to actual tech, it would be both more male and less white.
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Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
Question for this sort of situation: could you send an email to "confirm the case" to your boss and your boss'boss for this? They would need to respond and get this in writing. At that point, if they fire you they will have a big problem, if they don't hire the person, they will still have a big problem. I understand that it creates a whole set of bad situations, so just asking what's the theoretical appropriate way to handle this
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  No. Don't do this unless you have a backup job, or can survive fine for a while on unemployment. If you do want to report the behavior, report the pertinent details to the EEOC (or whatever is equivalent for your country).
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
    Wouldn't the company be in big trouble if they fired you after that email?
    - kuriho 4y ago
      Why go through all the trouble when they could just make you quit?
      - FredPret 4y ago
        Perhaps you could build a case for constructive dismissal if you document everything including the sexism email
    - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
      They could just not respond at all to the email. They could say the person receiving it didn't understand what the email was asking so deleted it. They could say that the managers never made any such statements and thought the employee (who they would also say had other performance or HR issues) was trying to entrap them, and that they fired the employee for the alleged entrapment. Document and report. Don't try to catch someone unless you're advised to do so by a lawyer or law enforcement or the like.

ipaddr 4y ago

By you sharing you have added some good to a bad situation.

eh9 4y ago

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ocdtrekkie 4y ago
HR roles, like most others, are numbers driven. Recruiters are expected to deliver a number of applicants, interview a number of candidates, etc. This means that yes, they often interview people they have no intention to hire: It makes the HR person look good. This can happen if they have a diversity hire directive but interview non-diverse candidates, but it can also happen if they want to hire a white guy but have a company directive to interview diverse candidates for every role. Either way, they can say they looked at everyone before hiring whatever candidate they wanted.
bluefirebrand 4y ago
I dunno where you all are working but I've never worked on any software team that was exclusively white and male.
- eh9 4y ago
  Of course, statistically speaking, it was probably only 80-90% white male.
  - bluefirebrand 4y ago
    Skewing heavily male I will grant you, but not even close to being majority white in almost all cases. But that puts it right in line with your average computer science or software engineering cohort at any given university, so I'm really not sure what your problem is. Like I get you might think it's unfair there aren't more women in software but I'm not sure what you want us to do about that my dude. We can't just force more girls into software if they aren't interested in it.
  - scarmig 4y ago
    Probably like 75% male. But at most 25% white male.
    - eh9 4y ago
      Nope. It’s a lot whiter than u think https://www.eeoc.gov/special-report/diversity-high-tech https://www.eeoc.gov/special-report/diversity-high-tech
      - scarmig 4y ago
        Closest thing I can find that seems relevant in there: "Compared to overall private industry, the high tech sector employed a larger share of whites (63.5 percent to 68.5 percent), Asian Americans (5.8 percent to 14 percent) and men (52 percent to 64 percent" First point would be that doesn't really support your contention that 90% of tech employees are white men. That said, they can't be measuring what we think of as tech; it's certainly more than the claimed 64% male. I'm pretty sure that restricted to actual tech, it would be both more male and less white.
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Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago

Question for this sort of situation: could you send an email to "confirm the case" to your boss and your boss'boss for this? They would need to respond and get this in writing. At that point, if they fire you they will have a big problem, if they don't hire the person, they will still have a big problem. I understand that it creates a whole set of bad situations, so just asking what's the theoretical appropriate way to handle this

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
No. Don't do this unless you have a backup job, or can survive fine for a while on unemployment. If you do want to report the behavior, report the pertinent details to the EEOC (or whatever is equivalent for your country).
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
  Wouldn't the company be in big trouble if they fired you after that email?
  - kuriho 4y ago
    Why go through all the trouble when they could just make you quit?
    - FredPret 4y ago
      Perhaps you could build a case for constructive dismissal if you document everything including the sexism email
  - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
    They could just not respond at all to the email. They could say the person receiving it didn't understand what the email was asking so deleted it. They could say that the managers never made any such statements and thought the employee (who they would also say had other performance or HR issues) was trying to entrap them, and that they fired the employee for the alleged entrapment. Document and report. Don't try to catch someone unless you're advised to do so by a lawyer or law enforcement or the like.