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So YouPorn is a medical device now. Seriously: those are not the sole studies showing those evidences. There are older with the same results. Religion and movem

So YouPorn is a medical device now. Seriously: those are not the sole studies showing those evidences. There are older with the same results. Religion and movements that prevent masturbation are disturbing from the point of view of the sexual development of teenagers.

MuffinFlavored 4y ago
> So YouPorn is a medical device now. I thought I've read the opposite that porn should be avoided because it's just like the rest of social media (a hinderance overall). Bad from an "over stimulation" perspective. aka the whole "nofap" movement https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/ has 1,100,000+ members
- ravi-delia 4y ago
  I mean I can find a million people believing a lot of things. If you want to avoid both social media and prostate cancer, the species has been making do with imagination for quite a few millennia.
  - MuffinFlavored 4y ago
    To me it's more about what the current "narrative" is being pushed/what is a popular "mindset/viewpoint" in society. A lot of TikTok users write comments like "stay strong bros" referring to "keep scrolling past this trending submission on the timeline" do not let these young women in skimpy clothing make you succumb to your goals of avoiding the pitfalls that come with being "addicted" to the stimulation of the porn itself and the "pleasure" of masturbating"
- narag 4y ago
  So some behaviour is bad and social media is bad and you join a social media forum with one million... ahem, members to talk about it. It doesn't seem like a good plan. Edit, to clarify: traditional suppport groups must be helpful for serious addiction, but an online forum with a lot of traffic? It seems crazy. If you have a problem with doing something pasively and anonymously online, go outside and chat with people in the flesh. You need to do something that helps you forget the damn thing, not revolving around it more.
  - MuffinFlavored 4y ago
    Another way to look at it: 1,000,000 people felt their relationship with porn and masturbation wasn't healthy and needed help weening off of it Who's telling the truth? Medical science (ejaculate more to keep your prostate healthier) or the community online telling you "stop masturbating" I have no clue
    - narag 4y ago
      ejaculate more to keep your prostate healthier Nice to have, but that's not why you do it. Also it doesn't imply to be alone.
29athrowaway 4y ago
Certainly healthier than corn flakes.
- biggerChris 4y ago
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prmoustache 4y ago
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EGreg 4y ago
Wouldn’t be the first time a self-pleasuring tool was widely regarded as a wondrous medical device … there was one that treated a catch—all disease called “hysteria” in the other half of the human population: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-vibrator/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-vibrator/ Let’s not forget the kids before puberty. Today’s “hysteria” is alive and well — it’s called ADHD and it involves overdiagnosing rambunctiousness and prescribing amphetamines like Ritalin or Aderall to medicate the “problem” away instead of making the kind of changes to the school system that Finland made. A lot of societies have often chosen to use medical interventions on the individual instead of fixing the underlying problems. In the case of ADHD: 1) both parents work to afford the rent and “self-actualize” themselves 10 hours a day at corporations https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=286 https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=286 2) they stick their kids in public schools where administrators treat them as a number and they have to sit down and shut up for long periods 3) many kids (especially boys) have too much energy to just sit still for so long but the system needs to teach them how to be good corporate drones (even though by the time they graduate corps won’t need them to wirk that way due to AI) 4) climbing trees and running around creates liabilities in the US, keeping the kids docile keeps them out of trouble https://www.smartparenting.com.ph/parenting/big-kids/the-simple-reason-why-finnish-schools-are-one-of-the-best-in-the-world-a1162-20160525 https://www.smartparenting.com.ph/parenting/big-kids/the-sim... ADHD is today’s hysteria.
- istjohn 4y ago
  Spoken like someone who doesn't know anyone who has ADHD, e.g., someone who has no idea what they're talking about. Also, your little rant is completely off topic.
  - EGreg 4y ago
    Spoken like someone who would have said the same about hysteria for hundreds of years. (And would have been considered very wrong given what we know today). Societal factors upstream matter a great deal, and medical inteventions downstream are usually revealed to be a bandaid. According to the CDC, roughly 9.5% of children in the USA have been diagnosed with ADHD, whereas research based in Europe shows that between 3.5% and 5.6% of children in France have been diagnosed with ADHD. Why do you think that is? There has to be a non-medical explanation, don’t you think? Same goes with the massive rise in diabetes and obesity in the USA, they engineer high fructose corn syrup into many things, people eat lots of things that turn into sugars, insulin resistance is high, but funny that so little of the industry discusses prevention of diabetes and obesity, they simply treat it as a fait accompli — including in kids, once again a new phenomenon. (In fact it has been shown to have a lot of comorbidities with coronavirus complications — but one is a national emergency, the other is not). I have seen the same kind of reponses on HN when it came to depression and skepticism that SSRIs are the solution. Until all the studies came out last year, any skepticism was met with “you have no idea what real clinical depression is like. It is primarily caused by a chemical imbalance, needs medical intervention and you know nothing! So please don’t participate in the conversation, let the dominant ideology be the only acceptable one.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/202207/depression-is-not-caused-chemical-imbalance-in-the-brain?amp https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/2022... Don’t get me wrong — there are real medical cases in kids of ADHD, gender dysphoria, etc. Or depression in adults, or genetically based insultin resistance. But the fact that it is diagnosed now way more than before means that maybe - just maybe - societal and dietary factors play a huge role. This has to deal with human happiness after all. And that includes people on HN. Whether self-pleasuring with a hand, or with a vibrating device, the societal factors (of hookup culture, or of cost of rent in cities to own your own place and delay marriage, or everyone getting married later because women now want to focus on their career, while gender age gaps remain similar) matter and should be systematically explored. This article or the nofap movement or women's tacit use of vibrating devices, are all quiet ways to cope with many societal structural changes. The fact that you think it is off-topic to discuss major societal issues upstream of a phenomenon just goes to show how myopic our culture's approach is to these issues.
62951413 4y ago
Someone recently asked me what my views were on pr0n and I said I dunno, like a couple of million? (c) TWTR

MuffinFlavored 4y ago

> So YouPorn is a medical device now. I thought I've read the opposite that porn should be avoided because it's just like the rest of social media (a hinderance overall). Bad from an "over stimulation" perspective. aka the whole "nofap" movement https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/ has 1,100,000+ members

ravi-delia 4y ago
I mean I can find a million people believing a lot of things. If you want to avoid both social media and prostate cancer, the species has been making do with imagination for quite a few millennia.
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  To me it's more about what the current "narrative" is being pushed/what is a popular "mindset/viewpoint" in society. A lot of TikTok users write comments like "stay strong bros" referring to "keep scrolling past this trending submission on the timeline" do not let these young women in skimpy clothing make you succumb to your goals of avoiding the pitfalls that come with being "addicted" to the stimulation of the porn itself and the "pleasure" of masturbating"
narag 4y ago
So some behaviour is bad and social media is bad and you join a social media forum with one million... ahem, members to talk about it. It doesn't seem like a good plan. Edit, to clarify: traditional suppport groups must be helpful for serious addiction, but an online forum with a lot of traffic? It seems crazy. If you have a problem with doing something pasively and anonymously online, go outside and chat with people in the flesh. You need to do something that helps you forget the damn thing, not revolving around it more.
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  Another way to look at it: 1,000,000 people felt their relationship with porn and masturbation wasn't healthy and needed help weening off of it Who's telling the truth? Medical science (ejaculate more to keep your prostate healthier) or the community online telling you "stop masturbating" I have no clue
  - narag 4y ago
    ejaculate more to keep your prostate healthier Nice to have, but that's not why you do it. Also it doesn't imply to be alone.

29athrowaway 4y ago

Certainly healthier than corn flakes.

biggerChris 4y ago
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prmoustache 4y ago

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EGreg 4y ago

Wouldn’t be the first time a self-pleasuring tool was widely regarded as a wondrous medical device … there was one that treated a catch—all disease called “hysteria” in the other half of the human population: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-vibrator/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-vibrator/ Let’s not forget the kids before puberty. Today’s “hysteria” is alive and well — it’s called ADHD and it involves overdiagnosing rambunctiousness and prescribing amphetamines like Ritalin or Aderall to medicate the “problem” away instead of making the kind of changes to the school system that Finland made. A lot of societies have often chosen to use medical interventions on the individual instead of fixing the underlying problems. In the case of ADHD: 1) both parents work to afford the rent and “self-actualize” themselves 10 hours a day at corporations https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=286 https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=286 2) they stick their kids in public schools where administrators treat them as a number and they have to sit down and shut up for long periods 3) many kids (especially boys) have too much energy to just sit still for so long but the system needs to teach them how to be good corporate drones (even though by the time they graduate corps won’t need them to wirk that way due to AI) 4) climbing trees and running around creates liabilities in the US, keeping the kids docile keeps them out of trouble https://www.smartparenting.com.ph/parenting/big-kids/the-simple-reason-why-finnish-schools-are-one-of-the-best-in-the-world-a1162-20160525 https://www.smartparenting.com.ph/parenting/big-kids/the-sim... ADHD is today’s hysteria.

istjohn 4y ago
Spoken like someone who doesn't know anyone who has ADHD, e.g., someone who has no idea what they're talking about. Also, your little rant is completely off topic.
- EGreg 4y ago
  Spoken like someone who would have said the same about hysteria for hundreds of years. (And would have been considered very wrong given what we know today). Societal factors upstream matter a great deal, and medical inteventions downstream are usually revealed to be a bandaid. According to the CDC, roughly 9.5% of children in the USA have been diagnosed with ADHD, whereas research based in Europe shows that between 3.5% and 5.6% of children in France have been diagnosed with ADHD. Why do you think that is? There has to be a non-medical explanation, don’t you think? Same goes with the massive rise in diabetes and obesity in the USA, they engineer high fructose corn syrup into many things, people eat lots of things that turn into sugars, insulin resistance is high, but funny that so little of the industry discusses prevention of diabetes and obesity, they simply treat it as a fait accompli — including in kids, once again a new phenomenon. (In fact it has been shown to have a lot of comorbidities with coronavirus complications — but one is a national emergency, the other is not). I have seen the same kind of reponses on HN when it came to depression and skepticism that SSRIs are the solution. Until all the studies came out last year, any skepticism was met with “you have no idea what real clinical depression is like. It is primarily caused by a chemical imbalance, needs medical intervention and you know nothing! So please don’t participate in the conversation, let the dominant ideology be the only acceptable one.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/202207/depression-is-not-caused-chemical-imbalance-in-the-brain?amp https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/2022... Don’t get me wrong — there are real medical cases in kids of ADHD, gender dysphoria, etc. Or depression in adults, or genetically based insultin resistance. But the fact that it is diagnosed now way more than before means that maybe - just maybe - societal and dietary factors play a huge role. This has to deal with human happiness after all. And that includes people on HN. Whether self-pleasuring with a hand, or with a vibrating device, the societal factors (of hookup culture, or of cost of rent in cities to own your own place and delay marriage, or everyone getting married later because women now want to focus on their career, while gender age gaps remain similar) matter and should be systematically explored. This article or the nofap movement or women's tacit use of vibrating devices, are all quiet ways to cope with many societal structural changes. The fact that you think it is off-topic to discuss major societal issues upstream of a phenomenon just goes to show how myopic our culture's approach is to these issues.

62951413 4y ago

Someone recently asked me what my views were on pr0n and I said I dunno, like a couple of million? (c) TWTR