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The West is butthurt that China produced an app that their kids love more than homegrown ones. Companies like TWTR, FB, IG are probably secretly pushing this b

The West is butthurt that China produced an app that their kids love more than homegrown ones. Companies like TWTR, FB, IG are probably secretly pushing this ban. Some years ago, France tried to enforce some law that at least 75% of the content available on the internet in France had to be in the French language. The day Tiktok is banned in the USA, that's the day the American decline starts.

drexlspivey 4y ago
on the other hand China has banned Twitter, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Twitch etc etc so it’s only fair game to ban one of theirs
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  Nobody is making the claim that the ban is unfair.
- beachwood23 4y ago
  It would be a sad day if we are judging our laws by China's. We have different structures and values.
- 3d3456 4y ago
  > on the other hand China has banned Twitter, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Twitch etc They weren't "banned". They simply refused to comply with chinese laws and chose not to operate in china. Tiktok is complying with american laws and yet still are facing a ban. Apples and oranges. But considering twitter, google, amazon, facebook, twitch, etc are part of US intelligence, it should be banned in china and most of the world. And I think we should ban tiktok because it's part of the chinese intelligence apparatus. I hope this is the beginning of a fracturing of the tech world which will lead to a burgeoning of tech in europe, japan, china, russia, india, etc. Can you think of a single good reason why europe, japan, china, russia, india, etc shouldn't have their own apple, netflix, facebook, google, amazon, etc? I hope the "inter"net will truly be a network of networks. Where each major nation/region has their own protect technology ecosystem, networks, programming languages, social media, etc. I still believe in "inter"networking, but not where a single country "owns" the entire network/stack. I even hope this leads to tech fracturing in the US. We are too silicon valley centric. The northeast by itself is large, wealthy, talented and populous enough to host 2 or more "silicon valleys". Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon should have been east coast companies. We have a serious lack of competence amongst politicians worldwide when it comes to tech.
  - SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
    > But considering twitter, google, amazon, facebook, twitch, etc are part of US intelligence Can you cite credible sources for this?
    - reactspa 4y ago
      Look up "The Twitter Files by Matt Taibi". Twitter uncritically and submissively followed directives from FBI and CIA. I read some headlines that Meta/FB too uncritically and submissively followed the same directives.
      - SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
        That's certainly the narrative Taibi attempted to portray, however it wasn't borne out in the evidence he provided.
        stcroixx 4y ago
        There are emails from Adam Schiff directly asking for specific citizens to be censored. No surrounding narrative needed.
        SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
        There are emails from me to Twitter directly asking for specific citizens to be censored, it's called a report. Twitter is free to do whatever it wants with those emails, of course, which is why the "Twitter Files" were massively overblown.
        stcroixx 4y ago
        Are you sending those emails while on the job as an elected state representative chairing the house Intelligence committee? If you were, that would be an example of a government trying to censor it's citizens by abusing their power and a few of us object to that behavior. You may too one day when it's your voice they are trying to silence. What's acceptable here as an individual is different from what's acceptable as an elected official with power over the entity you're asking for favors from.
- msm_ 4y ago
  I don't have a strong opinion about TikTok one way or the other, but as an European I find this discussion interesting. I always found China's decision to ban foreign applications backwards and a setback to an open internet. And now USA is trying to do the same for largely the same reasons (to fight against foreign influence, basically). I'm not saying the countries are remotely comparable, but I just hope it won't become a new normal.
jonathanlb 4y ago
> The day Tiktok is banned in the USA, that's the day the American decline starts. TikTok's availability in the US is your metric for the success of the American experiment?
- reactspa 4y ago
  When American innovations are banned in countries like Iran, Russia, France, and China, we laugh at them. If the shoe fits...
  - SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
    Who laughs at them? That’s not the sentiment in any groups I belong to or participate in…
  - jonathanlb 4y ago
    > Iran, Russia, France, and China One of these is not like the others.
    - reactspa 4y ago
      You'd be surprised at how protectionist France is. Especially when it concerns content in English.
  - jimbo9991 4y ago
    Some of us agree with the bans of American weapons of mass destruction as well as their equivalents promulgated by another world power. They should all be banned.
- 3d3456 4y ago
  Huwaei first and now tiktok. It is an indication that american tech is starting to be outpaced by chinese tech. Which shouldn't be too shocking considering china recently has overtaken the US as the top producer of scientific research ( both in quality and quantity ). And this trend is only going to accelerate in the coming years/decades. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/11/china-overtakes-the-us-in-scientific-research-output https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/11/china-overtake... Banning huwaei and tiktok shows a lack of confidence in our ability to compete. The same thing happened with japanese car manufacturers in the 70s and 80s. In the 50s and 60s, we laughed at them but once they started making better cars, there were calls to ban japanese cars. The exact same rhetoric used against china today was used against japan back then. But since japan was an "ally", we forced them to transfer/share technology ( especially management/production techniques/technology ) with US manufacturers and move their car production to the US. I don't think we are going to be able to strong-arm and bully the chinese like we did the japanese. But ultimately, I think banning tiktok is a good thing because every nation should control their own media ( traditional or social ).
sebzim4500 4y ago
I largely agree with you but >The day Tiktok is banned in the USA, that's the day the American decline starts. is one of the most absurd statements that I have ever heard.
theknocker 4y ago
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drexlspivey 4y ago

on the other hand China has banned Twitter, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Twitch etc etc so it’s only fair game to ban one of theirs

xboxnolifes 4y ago
Nobody is making the claim that the ban is unfair.
beachwood23 4y ago
It would be a sad day if we are judging our laws by China's. We have different structures and values.
3d3456 4y ago
> on the other hand China has banned Twitter, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Twitch etc They weren't "banned". They simply refused to comply with chinese laws and chose not to operate in china. Tiktok is complying with american laws and yet still are facing a ban. Apples and oranges. But considering twitter, google, amazon, facebook, twitch, etc are part of US intelligence, it should be banned in china and most of the world. And I think we should ban tiktok because it's part of the chinese intelligence apparatus. I hope this is the beginning of a fracturing of the tech world which will lead to a burgeoning of tech in europe, japan, china, russia, india, etc. Can you think of a single good reason why europe, japan, china, russia, india, etc shouldn't have their own apple, netflix, facebook, google, amazon, etc? I hope the "inter"net will truly be a network of networks. Where each major nation/region has their own protect technology ecosystem, networks, programming languages, social media, etc. I still believe in "inter"networking, but not where a single country "owns" the entire network/stack. I even hope this leads to tech fracturing in the US. We are too silicon valley centric. The northeast by itself is large, wealthy, talented and populous enough to host 2 or more "silicon valleys". Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon should have been east coast companies. We have a serious lack of competence amongst politicians worldwide when it comes to tech.
- SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
  > But considering twitter, google, amazon, facebook, twitch, etc are part of US intelligence Can you cite credible sources for this?
  - reactspa 4y ago
    Look up "The Twitter Files by Matt Taibi". Twitter uncritically and submissively followed directives from FBI and CIA. I read some headlines that Meta/FB too uncritically and submissively followed the same directives.
    - SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
      That's certainly the narrative Taibi attempted to portray, however it wasn't borne out in the evidence he provided.
      - stcroixx 4y ago
        There are emails from Adam Schiff directly asking for specific citizens to be censored. No surrounding narrative needed.
        SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
        There are emails from me to Twitter directly asking for specific citizens to be censored, it's called a report. Twitter is free to do whatever it wants with those emails, of course, which is why the "Twitter Files" were massively overblown.
        stcroixx 4y ago
        Are you sending those emails while on the job as an elected state representative chairing the house Intelligence committee? If you were, that would be an example of a government trying to censor it's citizens by abusing their power and a few of us object to that behavior. You may too one day when it's your voice they are trying to silence. What's acceptable here as an individual is different from what's acceptable as an elected official with power over the entity you're asking for favors from.
msm_ 4y ago
I don't have a strong opinion about TikTok one way or the other, but as an European I find this discussion interesting. I always found China's decision to ban foreign applications backwards and a setback to an open internet. And now USA is trying to do the same for largely the same reasons (to fight against foreign influence, basically). I'm not saying the countries are remotely comparable, but I just hope it won't become a new normal.

jonathanlb 4y ago

> The day Tiktok is banned in the USA, that's the day the American decline starts. TikTok's availability in the US is your metric for the success of the American experiment?

reactspa 4y ago
When American innovations are banned in countries like Iran, Russia, France, and China, we laugh at them. If the shoe fits...
- SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
  Who laughs at them? That’s not the sentiment in any groups I belong to or participate in…
- jonathanlb 4y ago
  > Iran, Russia, France, and China One of these is not like the others.
  - reactspa 4y ago
    You'd be surprised at how protectionist France is. Especially when it concerns content in English.
- jimbo9991 4y ago
  Some of us agree with the bans of American weapons of mass destruction as well as their equivalents promulgated by another world power. They should all be banned.
3d3456 4y ago
Huwaei first and now tiktok. It is an indication that american tech is starting to be outpaced by chinese tech. Which shouldn't be too shocking considering china recently has overtaken the US as the top producer of scientific research ( both in quality and quantity ). And this trend is only going to accelerate in the coming years/decades. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/11/china-overtakes-the-us-in-scientific-research-output https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/11/china-overtake... Banning huwaei and tiktok shows a lack of confidence in our ability to compete. The same thing happened with japanese car manufacturers in the 70s and 80s. In the 50s and 60s, we laughed at them but once they started making better cars, there were calls to ban japanese cars. The exact same rhetoric used against china today was used against japan back then. But since japan was an "ally", we forced them to transfer/share technology ( especially management/production techniques/technology ) with US manufacturers and move their car production to the US. I don't think we are going to be able to strong-arm and bully the chinese like we did the japanese. But ultimately, I think banning tiktok is a good thing because every nation should control their own media ( traditional or social ).

sebzim4500 4y ago

I largely agree with you but >The day Tiktok is banned in the USA, that's the day the American decline starts. is one of the most absurd statements that I have ever heard.

theknocker 4y ago

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