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Ted Nelson had many pioneering ideas, but we need to acknowledge that many of them _didn't work_. Not because Tim Berners-Lee lacked the time to code them, but
by amiga386 4y ago
Ted Nelson had many pioneering ideas, but we need to acknowledge that many of them _didn't work_. Not because Tim Berners-Lee lacked the time to code them, but they just couldn't _ever_ work.
Nelson was 30 years late delivering Project Xanadu when Berners-Lee jettisoned the _impossible_ parts of Ted's vision and ate his lunch with the WorldWideWeb. [0]
Ted dreamed of these bidirectional links. Not just that you got _notified_ if someone linked to you, for which we have pingbacks (which are massively exploitable for spam if you auto-publish them), but if someone changed their document's address or title, they'd have the power to update _your_ document with the link to it. No bitrot! All it takes is one entity having complete executive control over the entire WWW, and probably the ability to change anything on any page without your knowledge, or even better, give remote control of your documents to anyone who controls the server you happen to link to.
He had other ideas, like you'd write a page and get automatically paid micropayments by any people reading it, and if anyone wanted to excerpt a section or an image and transclude it in their page, they could do that and you'd get paid your share. Universally monetizing the web would have strangled the information revolution in the crib. It'd be like putting a coin slot on your computer terminal a-la Ubik. People would _avoid_ reading pages to avoid getting billed, they'd be easily swayed to centralised providers offering free access to their pages (because what they really want is power and influence) like Facebook Zero cynically did to India. There'd also need to be, for billing, a perfect record of absolutely everything that anyone ever read, and anyone ever published. It'd be an authoritarian's wet dream.
If you haven't read The Curse of Xanadu, [0], I urge that you do, and be willing to ditch ideas that don't work so people can benefit all the sooner from ideas that do, and other people don't beat you to the punch _thirty years_ after you started.
[0] https://www.wired.com/1995/06/xanadu/ https://www.wired.com/1995/06/xanadu/
- velcrovan 4y agoBidirectional links ultimately aren’t very interesting except to people who make CMSs. Normal readers just do not care “what links here”. People prefer to feel like they are moving forward, not backing up.
- rgrieselhuber 4y agoWebsite owners collectively spend a lot of money to get this information and the unidirectional nature of links on the web today helps to reinforce the moat that Google has in search.
- jdougan 4y agoUnder the international hypertext accords of 2010, anytime the Wired article is referenced, the rebuttals must be referenced also: Letter to the Editor: https://www.wired.com/1995/09/rants-raves-123/ https://www.wired.com/1995/09/rants-raves-123/ Extended material: https://xanadu.com.au/ararat https://xanadu.com.au/ararat Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_-5cGEU9S0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_-5cGEU9S0 Feature length: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASgjSxNdDqI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASgjSxNdDqI Notice of legal action: https://archive.org/details/Ted_Nelson_Responds_to_Charges_in_Wired_Magazine_Article_1995-06-07/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/Ted_Nelson_Responds_to_Charges_i...
- deafpolygon 4y agoIF a million sites link there..how do you update a million sites?
- amiga386 4y agoThe idea is that you don't, you preserve existing links because you respect that people have already linked there. See Cool URIs don't change for example [0] If you absolutely have to change the link, and if a million people link to it, and are still interested in whatever your link is, they'll update the links themselves. If you removing the link for good, people will have to link to the Wayback Machine instead; Wikipedia bots do this automatically. [1] [0] https://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI https://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI (has been at this URL since 1998) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Link_rot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Link_rot