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I'm surprised that people don't know nor understand this huge huge difference. Don't they know US and China are opposing global super power with multiple regio

I'm surprised that people don't know nor understand this huge huge difference. Don't they know US and China are opposing global super power with multiple region conflicts like Taiwan, Japan, and etc.?

Insanity 4y ago
Okay, but see it this way. USA has my data vs China has my data. The odds of China having my data impacting my life in a negative way is lower than the USA doing this. That's an assumption, but I think for most people living in the West, that seems at least reasonable to me.
- arealaccount 4y ago
  Nobody cares what happens with your data. They care what happens with the data belonging someone who will some day hold a position of power.
- bcherny 4y ago
  The difference is the Chinese government has a board seat at ByteDance, not to mention soft control via broad government authority over markets. If China wants, boosting content to manipulate US elections or tracking the location of people of interest are things it can easily ask TikTok to do (and has done, apparently). This is different from the way the US government uses Facebook, for example. It does not have power to boost or demote content, or request location data for people of interest. It can collect far narrower information about people with a warrant, and even then some data it cannot collect (eg. e2ee messaging data).
  - Insanity 4y ago
    If CambridgeAnalytica is anything to go by, you can do that with US social media as well. (In terms of influencing elections etc).
    - bcherny 4y ago
      True, but it’s disingenuous to fail to acknowledge the difference between that and, say, the US State Department having a board seat at Meta and directing which posts should be boosted on everyones’ feeds.
- thehappypm 4y ago
  It’s not about the average individual so much as the risk to society. Let’s say a journalist has published some anti-Chinese material. Through TikTok, the Chinese know where he is precisely.

Insanity 4y ago

Okay, but see it this way. USA has my data vs China has my data. The odds of China having my data impacting my life in a negative way is lower than the USA doing this. That's an assumption, but I think for most people living in the West, that seems at least reasonable to me.

arealaccount 4y ago
Nobody cares what happens with your data. They care what happens with the data belonging someone who will some day hold a position of power.
bcherny 4y ago
The difference is the Chinese government has a board seat at ByteDance, not to mention soft control via broad government authority over markets. If China wants, boosting content to manipulate US elections or tracking the location of people of interest are things it can easily ask TikTok to do (and has done, apparently). This is different from the way the US government uses Facebook, for example. It does not have power to boost or demote content, or request location data for people of interest. It can collect far narrower information about people with a warrant, and even then some data it cannot collect (eg. e2ee messaging data).
- Insanity 4y ago
  If CambridgeAnalytica is anything to go by, you can do that with US social media as well. (In terms of influencing elections etc).
  - bcherny 4y ago
    True, but it’s disingenuous to fail to acknowledge the difference between that and, say, the US State Department having a board seat at Meta and directing which posts should be boosted on everyones’ feeds.
thehappypm 4y ago
It’s not about the average individual so much as the risk to society. Let’s say a journalist has published some anti-Chinese material. Through TikTok, the Chinese know where he is precisely.