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Soviet army was not dividing people by nationality, they were all "soviet people".So why do you choose to do so now? (Actually, a rhetorical question).

sidibe 4y ago
Well there are estimates on Wikipedia but it's wrong to attribute WW2 sacrifice and victory of the USSR to one side of the current conflict.
- fromseashore 4y ago
  I did not do that. But the fact is that Ukraine rehabilitates Bandera and other murderers and nazi collaborationists, has armed forces where people tatoo swastics on their skin, and has been promoting vicious antirussian sentiment well before 2014, ignored by the western media for a well understood reason (if we drop hypocrisy). All this while for Russia the Second World War was and is one of the defining moments of their history and identity.
  - catmiral 4y ago
    Bandera was jailed by Nazi for almost the whole duration of the war (1941-1945). His brother was murdered in German stalag. It doesn't look like collaboration with Nazi. Soviet Union and Germany attacked Poland together (and started WWII). It's cooperation with Nazi. If we look at the argument often used by Russians, that X is Nazi because he collaborated with Nazi, and then apply it to Soviet Union instead of Bandera, then Russians found thousands of arguments why this is not true.
    - ghostwriter 4y ago
      > Bandera was jailed by Nazi for almost the whole duration of the war Let's not pretend that Bandera had to make his own hands dirty to make it count. I'll just leave it here: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Lebed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Lebed
      - skissane 4y ago
        Bandera’s organisation committed war crimes and genocide while Bandera himself was imprisoned by the Nazis, due to his refusal to obey their demands. Was Bandera personally aware of and responsible for what his organisation did while he was not able to be directly in charge of it? I doubt that question is as easy to answer was you seem to think it is.
        unpopdontcare 4y ago
        When somebody sacrifices their lives to protect their fellow countrymen, they deserve respect, no matter how awful their hearts are. Those people sacrificed their lives and didn't give a crap what you thought about them. They died saving their wives, their mothers, their children, and their fellow countrymen who they didn't even agree with. vladolf putler has murdered at least 250,000 Ukrainians now. If you think the this is good, let's get together for coffee and discuss it. I will use on you the persuasive technique that Wagner uses on my people.
        ghostwriter 4y ago
        > Those people sacrificed their lives and didn't give a crap what you thought about them. You're not elected to represent any of those people, you're only speaking for yourself. > They died saving their wives, their mothers, their children, and their fellow countrymen who they didn't even agree with. vladolf putler has murdered at least 250,000 Ukrainians now. Ukraine closed its borders for the entire 18+ male population of the country in the early months of the war. These people have been deprived from their natural right to make their own decisions affecting their lives. Some of these people might be willing to leave the country with their families, but they got separated on the border by the state ruling. The decisions are now being made for them under a pretense of territorial preservation, similarly to the authoritative dictate of their enemy. The goals might be different, but the means are exactly the same. The territory has no use for the people died on it, these 250k Ukrainians will never be able to experience a joy of living on it either. And if you're among those who say that the goals of the current Ukrainian government justify the means it imposes on its population, I suggest that you prove that in trenches of Bakhmut rather than in the comment sections of HN. > If you think the this is good, let's get together for coffee and discuss it. I will use on you the persuasive technique that Wagner uses on my people. You should talk to Wagner directly if you find their methods adequate during a coffee break, they made their feedback contacts public long time ago.
  - unpopdontcare 4y ago
    So what if there is anti-russian sentiment? russians have earned their reputation with the 10-15 million Ukrainians they have murdered over the past 150 years. We don't need neo-nazis to make us hate russians for what they have done to our families and friends and our country. I don't know anybody who didn't lose grandparents or great grandparents to Stalin's purges. I have now lost 3 family members and 15 people from my graduating uni class. Germany has neo-nazis in its military. russia's military is entirely conscripts and track-suit wearing, Neo-soviets covered in anti-Ukrainian tattoos. America's military is at least 20% neo-nazi/extremist. There are bad apples in every country. Just like the USA saved russia and Europe from Hitler, we will save Europe and America from vladolf putler. You can all be cowards and sleep peacefully in your bed while I hear bombshells every night.
unpopdontcare 4y ago
they were all soviet slaves. Nobody joined without a gun to their head.

sidibe 4y ago

Well there are estimates on Wikipedia but it's wrong to attribute WW2 sacrifice and victory of the USSR to one side of the current conflict.

fromseashore 4y ago
I did not do that. But the fact is that Ukraine rehabilitates Bandera and other murderers and nazi collaborationists, has armed forces where people tatoo swastics on their skin, and has been promoting vicious antirussian sentiment well before 2014, ignored by the western media for a well understood reason (if we drop hypocrisy). All this while for Russia the Second World War was and is one of the defining moments of their history and identity.
- catmiral 4y ago
  Bandera was jailed by Nazi for almost the whole duration of the war (1941-1945). His brother was murdered in German stalag. It doesn't look like collaboration with Nazi. Soviet Union and Germany attacked Poland together (and started WWII). It's cooperation with Nazi. If we look at the argument often used by Russians, that X is Nazi because he collaborated with Nazi, and then apply it to Soviet Union instead of Bandera, then Russians found thousands of arguments why this is not true.
  - ghostwriter 4y ago
    > Bandera was jailed by Nazi for almost the whole duration of the war Let's not pretend that Bandera had to make his own hands dirty to make it count. I'll just leave it here: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Lebed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Lebed
    - skissane 4y ago
      Bandera’s organisation committed war crimes and genocide while Bandera himself was imprisoned by the Nazis, due to his refusal to obey their demands. Was Bandera personally aware of and responsible for what his organisation did while he was not able to be directly in charge of it? I doubt that question is as easy to answer was you seem to think it is.
      - unpopdontcare 4y ago
        When somebody sacrifices their lives to protect their fellow countrymen, they deserve respect, no matter how awful their hearts are. Those people sacrificed their lives and didn't give a crap what you thought about them. They died saving their wives, their mothers, their children, and their fellow countrymen who they didn't even agree with. vladolf putler has murdered at least 250,000 Ukrainians now. If you think the this is good, let's get together for coffee and discuss it. I will use on you the persuasive technique that Wagner uses on my people.
        ghostwriter 4y ago
        > Those people sacrificed their lives and didn't give a crap what you thought about them. You're not elected to represent any of those people, you're only speaking for yourself. > They died saving their wives, their mothers, their children, and their fellow countrymen who they didn't even agree with. vladolf putler has murdered at least 250,000 Ukrainians now. Ukraine closed its borders for the entire 18+ male population of the country in the early months of the war. These people have been deprived from their natural right to make their own decisions affecting their lives. Some of these people might be willing to leave the country with their families, but they got separated on the border by the state ruling. The decisions are now being made for them under a pretense of territorial preservation, similarly to the authoritative dictate of their enemy. The goals might be different, but the means are exactly the same. The territory has no use for the people died on it, these 250k Ukrainians will never be able to experience a joy of living on it either. And if you're among those who say that the goals of the current Ukrainian government justify the means it imposes on its population, I suggest that you prove that in trenches of Bakhmut rather than in the comment sections of HN. > If you think the this is good, let's get together for coffee and discuss it. I will use on you the persuasive technique that Wagner uses on my people. You should talk to Wagner directly if you find their methods adequate during a coffee break, they made their feedback contacts public long time ago.
- unpopdontcare 4y ago
  So what if there is anti-russian sentiment? russians have earned their reputation with the 10-15 million Ukrainians they have murdered over the past 150 years. We don't need neo-nazis to make us hate russians for what they have done to our families and friends and our country. I don't know anybody who didn't lose grandparents or great grandparents to Stalin's purges. I have now lost 3 family members and 15 people from my graduating uni class. Germany has neo-nazis in its military. russia's military is entirely conscripts and track-suit wearing, Neo-soviets covered in anti-Ukrainian tattoos. America's military is at least 20% neo-nazi/extremist. There are bad apples in every country. Just like the USA saved russia and Europe from Hitler, we will save Europe and America from vladolf putler. You can all be cowards and sleep peacefully in your bed while I hear bombshells every night.

unpopdontcare 4y ago

they were all soviet slaves. Nobody joined without a gun to their head.