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Just because we have a quirky epithet for it doesn't make it morally wrong. Where I live is desirable because I am a steward of my environment and culture, and

Just because we have a quirky epithet for it doesn't make it morally wrong. Where I live is desirable because I am a steward of my environment and culture, and because of the absence of others. Nature is beautiful because it's not paved over and full of the environmental degredation that poverty and tourism creates. The solution to poverty isn't to consume more nature or spread it into neighborhoods and communites. It's to have perimeters that preserve them so that when people manage to improve their situations, there is somewhere for them to arrive. To be anti-NIMBY is like being anti-anything, where it's just a proxy for suppressed aggression, and it has absolutely no connection to a sense of compassion or selflessness toward the people they are ostensibly "helping" by exporting poverty into areas where people have worked very hard to pull themselves up and leave it. Mainly, anti-NIMBY'ism is to establish a beach head of people who depend on public services in the district or riding who will vote for politicians who promise spending on them, or worse, people who just want to center themselves as managing the chaos of their own invention. It's pure, cynical, realpolitik and all the epithets in the world do not change that. Journalists stand united on one thing too: manufactured conflict for the sake of spectacle, and being setup as a hate effigy, for any reason, including because I don't want to live around poverty, is petty and obnoxious.

yunwal 4y ago
> Mainly, anti-NIMBY'ism is to establish a beach head of people who depend on public services in the district or riding who will vote for politicians who promise spending on them, or worse, people who just want to center themselves as managing the chaos of their own invention. This is just not how this works in practice. In actuality, NIMBYism drives up housing prices forcing out community contributors in favor of highly paid office workers that make fewer local contributions.
- motohagiography 4y ago
  The price effect on housing where residents organize to discourge homeless shelters, safe injection sites, and even (less nobly) out of the cold programs at churches, is the value they add to their communities that makes their houses valuable. If you want a house, move to where there are houses. If you want services, move to where there are services. Parachuting in services to places where housing is not available to the people who need them is cynical. Few people in govt are really that dumb, they're just ethically worse than most people are willing to admit.
  - yunwal 4y ago
    > move to where there are houses I’m not sure if you’re joking, but people who are getting priced out don’t always have the privilege of just up and moving. People rely on friends, family, and community for childcare and basic needs. Chasing everyone around the country upending their lives every other year isn’t the answer, affordable housing is.
danny_codes 4y ago
"Screw everyone else, I got mine!" - OP

yunwal 4y ago

> Mainly, anti-NIMBY'ism is to establish a beach head of people who depend on public services in the district or riding who will vote for politicians who promise spending on them, or worse, people who just want to center themselves as managing the chaos of their own invention. This is just not how this works in practice. In actuality, NIMBYism drives up housing prices forcing out community contributors in favor of highly paid office workers that make fewer local contributions.

motohagiography 4y ago
The price effect on housing where residents organize to discourge homeless shelters, safe injection sites, and even (less nobly) out of the cold programs at churches, is the value they add to their communities that makes their houses valuable. If you want a house, move to where there are houses. If you want services, move to where there are services. Parachuting in services to places where housing is not available to the people who need them is cynical. Few people in govt are really that dumb, they're just ethically worse than most people are willing to admit.
- yunwal 4y ago
  > move to where there are houses I’m not sure if you’re joking, but people who are getting priced out don’t always have the privilege of just up and moving. People rely on friends, family, and community for childcare and basic needs. Chasing everyone around the country upending their lives every other year isn’t the answer, affordable housing is.

danny_codes 4y ago

"Screw everyone else, I got mine!" - OP