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Maybe, if NIMBYism is so prevalent across the political spectrum in the united states, maybe the NIMBYs have a somewhat valid perspective that we should at leas

Maybe, if NIMBYism is so prevalent across the political spectrum in the united states, maybe the NIMBYs have a somewhat valid perspective that we should at least consider?

notacoward 4y ago
There are many legitimate reasons to oppose any particular development. In another comment I mentioned concerns about historical and environmental preservation, for example. Those are valid concerns, which I often share. However, across many cases they have to be weighed against concerns about equity and sustainability. In a better world each "side" would win some and lose some. The problem is that the way municipal government works systematically favors opposition to any kind of new development even of a positive sort - e.g. mass transit, higher density. It's easier to block than to push forward. Any sufficiently motivated group of NIMBYs can win practically all of these battles, and thus things that need to happen somewhere never do anywhere. Put another way, NIMBYism is not so much prevalent (i.e. a majority hold that view) as dominant (i.e. it prevails nonetheless). They're not the same thing.
panick21_ 4y ago
Well but it IS CONSIDERED. In fact its currently the only thing that is considered. This is a concentrated 'harm' vs distributed gain, except there really is very little 'harm'.
- UIUC_06 4y ago
  The "harm" is that you're competing with more people for parking, sidewalk space, spots in the gym, space in the supermarket aisles... on and on.
  - xboxnolifes 4y ago
    Parking is definitely a big issue, but all of the others can also scale with population density. Luckily, population density brings economics of scale for walkable areas and public transport, so the need for parking should reduce.
    - UIUC_06 4y ago
      That's an urbanite point of view.
      - xboxnolifes 4y ago
        How so? I've never lived in (what I would consider) an urban area. Closest is living in suburbs outside of a city.
opportune 4y ago
Maybe if racism is so prevalent we should… Or, maybe that is not the basis for a sound argument
llampx 4y ago
Do we want to reward those who would pull up the ladders after they themselves used them? NIMBYism is nothing but "f__k you, got mine" mentality writ large.

Maybe, if NIMBYism is so prevalent across the political spectrum in the united states, maybe the NIMBYs have a somewhat valid perspective that we should at least consider?

notacoward 4y ago

There are many legitimate reasons to oppose any particular development. In another comment I mentioned concerns about historical and environmental preservation, for example. Those are valid concerns, which I often share. However, across many cases they have to be weighed against concerns about equity and sustainability. In a better world each "side" would win some and lose some. The problem is that the way municipal government works systematically favors opposition to any kind of new development even of a positive sort - e.g. mass transit, higher density. It's easier to block than to push forward. Any sufficiently motivated group of NIMBYs can win practically all of these battles, and thus things that need to happen somewhere never do anywhere. Put another way, NIMBYism is not so much prevalent (i.e. a majority hold that view) as dominant (i.e. it prevails nonetheless). They're not the same thing.

panick21_ 4y ago

Well but it IS CONSIDERED. In fact its currently the only thing that is considered. This is a concentrated 'harm' vs distributed gain, except there really is very little 'harm'.

UIUC_06 4y ago
The "harm" is that you're competing with more people for parking, sidewalk space, spots in the gym, space in the supermarket aisles... on and on.
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  Parking is definitely a big issue, but all of the others can also scale with population density. Luckily, population density brings economics of scale for walkable areas and public transport, so the need for parking should reduce.
  - UIUC_06 4y ago
    That's an urbanite point of view.
    - xboxnolifes 4y ago
      How so? I've never lived in (what I would consider) an urban area. Closest is living in suburbs outside of a city.

opportune 4y ago

Maybe if racism is so prevalent we should… Or, maybe that is not the basis for a sound argument

llampx 4y ago

Do we want to reward those who would pull up the ladders after they themselves used them? NIMBYism is nothing but "f__k you, got mine" mentality writ large.