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It's more like Germany that is formed of stable middle class. UK has wealthy and poorer (worker?) people, these are the stable classes. Others in between sooner

It's more like Germany that is formed of stable middle class. UK has wealthy and poorer (worker?) people, these are the stable classes. Others in between sooner or later slide down if not hanging on tirelessly to the supposedly middle class status with small mistakes/misfurtune fail that, or need to push pretty hard (still no guarantee) to raise to a self sustaining wealthy class. The middle is an unstable place. Unlike in other countries where the middle is the stable bulk, given for average (not the extreme).

simonbarker87 4y ago
The UK middle class is large and stable. It’s not a particularly wealthy middle class compared to other nations but it’s easily over 50% of the country. Perhaps we have a different definition of middle class but if you do it based soley on income then it would be a household salary (pre tax) if between £50k and £200k I would say.
- mihaaly 4y ago
  A household with 50k is middle? Come on, don't joke with me man! Why don't you start from 20k instead, then the middle class is huge then! :DD Try being 'stable' on 50k, or even 70-80k without having a sum to start with from others (e.g. parents) and want to get ahead with decent housing that you can rely on well before you get retired, rely on even when interim hardship comes, without fear of loosing any of you your jobs just temporarily (beacuse naturally you both must work, no choice in that!), try it! Preferably in a medium expensive area. .... stable ... you are funny!
  - simonbarker87 4y ago
    I have many friends at the lower end of that range as a household income (£60k) without family help and I myself fall well within the range I gave and all are comfortably and stably in the middle. Would we like more money? Sure. Are we fearful of sliding into the oblivion you describe? Not at all. Outside London this range is very much the middle. I’m not saying life can’t be better and that wages should climb (in fact I whole heartedly agree) but the picture of a non-existent middle class and those that are there are unstable and days from sliding into poverty just isn’t true.

simonbarker87 4y ago

The UK middle class is large and stable. It’s not a particularly wealthy middle class compared to other nations but it’s easily over 50% of the country. Perhaps we have a different definition of middle class but if you do it based soley on income then it would be a household salary (pre tax) if between £50k and £200k I would say.

mihaaly 4y ago
A household with 50k is middle? Come on, don't joke with me man! Why don't you start from 20k instead, then the middle class is huge then! :DD Try being 'stable' on 50k, or even 70-80k without having a sum to start with from others (e.g. parents) and want to get ahead with decent housing that you can rely on well before you get retired, rely on even when interim hardship comes, without fear of loosing any of you your jobs just temporarily (beacuse naturally you both must work, no choice in that!), try it! Preferably in a medium expensive area. .... stable ... you are funny!
- simonbarker87 4y ago
  I have many friends at the lower end of that range as a household income (£60k) without family help and I myself fall well within the range I gave and all are comfortably and stably in the middle. Would we like more money? Sure. Are we fearful of sliding into the oblivion you describe? Not at all. Outside London this range is very much the middle. I’m not saying life can’t be better and that wages should climb (in fact I whole heartedly agree) but the picture of a non-existent middle class and those that are there are unstable and days from sliding into poverty just isn’t true.