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you don't need much (or any) of this stuff in order to write desktop applications. so many people here seem to think that everything is web-based, and it really

you don't need much (or any) of this stuff in order to write desktop applications. so many people here seem to think that everything is web-based, and it really isn't.

BrutalCoding 4y ago
You’re right, but if you would Google “build desktop application” for example, you’ll see Electron in the top 3. I could imagine that many new devs will think building desktop applications requires JS, HTML and CSS. To make things more confusing, it’s possible to use Electron with Rust, React, and/or even Python. These can be combined too, all in all it could be quite confusing for some.
- zabzonk 4y ago
  i'd say that if you are learning programming, don't start with a gui framework, or with trying to write gui apps. start with something like python, using its standard libraries.
  - BrutalCoding 4y ago
    I’m on your side, using Python to draw a smiley in the terminal is a fun and good way to learn in my opinion. I think I started with Visual Basic Scripting as a kid. I had fun by just using Windows own Notepad.exe, writing down a script in there and saving it as a .vbs file. Now out of the sudden I made something that produced ‘scary’ pop-ups on the screen and opened and closed the CD drive repeatedly. Later on, in some PC games I played, I got annoyed (and mesmerized) by hackers. That made me look into DLL injections and cheat engines. I’d say to anyone that’s new to programming, find what languages are considered “easy” and find out if you can do what interests you, like in my case trying to have infinite ammo in a game. Another idea, look into moving a servo motor (Arduino + Raspberry Pi, or just the Pi on its own). A “robot” that shoots a rubber band. I’ve made that for fun and started to add a camera into the mix, adding OpenCV to recognize people and make it shoot. It’s similar to a LAW (killer robot) but without the killing part! My point is, do whatever project sounds fun and try to to do that with a language that is considered easy for the job.
Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
You can still write a web applications with just JS, some HTML (no css) and no familiarity with command line. And you can write a frontend-only application with just html, css and js and nothing else, true. Still, if you want to do anything more than writing something for yourself, you need all of that unfortunately.
- zabzonk 4y ago
  why do you think that? i had, before retirement, been a professional programmer working for large businesses such as investment banks, and neither i or the people i worked with ever used html, js or css, or any other web technologies. the world my be wider than your experience of it.
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
    All true I guess. I would still expect a vcs + command line familiarity and text editor for any developer a requirement. I would also be surprised if there wasn't an alternative for storage that needs to be learned, for another language. So even eliminating js, html and css, there is a UI toolkit of some sort to learn, a storage mechanism to learn. The layers are still there.
- Jtsummers 4y ago
  No you don’t. Web programming is highly visible, but hardly essential to all programming or even the most useful systems.

you don't need much (or any) of this stuff in order to write desktop applications. so many people here seem to think that everything is web-based, and it really isn't.

BrutalCoding 4y ago

You’re right, but if you would Google “build desktop application” for example, you’ll see Electron in the top 3. I could imagine that many new devs will think building desktop applications requires JS, HTML and CSS. To make things more confusing, it’s possible to use Electron with Rust, React, and/or even Python. These can be combined too, all in all it could be quite confusing for some.

zabzonk 4y ago
i'd say that if you are learning programming, don't start with a gui framework, or with trying to write gui apps. start with something like python, using its standard libraries.
- BrutalCoding 4y ago
  I’m on your side, using Python to draw a smiley in the terminal is a fun and good way to learn in my opinion. I think I started with Visual Basic Scripting as a kid. I had fun by just using Windows own Notepad.exe, writing down a script in there and saving it as a .vbs file. Now out of the sudden I made something that produced ‘scary’ pop-ups on the screen and opened and closed the CD drive repeatedly. Later on, in some PC games I played, I got annoyed (and mesmerized) by hackers. That made me look into DLL injections and cheat engines. I’d say to anyone that’s new to programming, find what languages are considered “easy” and find out if you can do what interests you, like in my case trying to have infinite ammo in a game. Another idea, look into moving a servo motor (Arduino + Raspberry Pi, or just the Pi on its own). A “robot” that shoots a rubber band. I’ve made that for fun and started to add a camera into the mix, adding OpenCV to recognize people and make it shoot. It’s similar to a LAW (killer robot) but without the killing part! My point is, do whatever project sounds fun and try to to do that with a language that is considered easy for the job.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago

You can still write a web applications with just JS, some HTML (no css) and no familiarity with command line. And you can write a frontend-only application with just html, css and js and nothing else, true. Still, if you want to do anything more than writing something for yourself, you need all of that unfortunately.

zabzonk 4y ago
why do you think that? i had, before retirement, been a professional programmer working for large businesses such as investment banks, and neither i or the people i worked with ever used html, js or css, or any other web technologies. the world my be wider than your experience of it.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
  All true I guess. I would still expect a vcs + command line familiarity and text editor for any developer a requirement. I would also be surprised if there wasn't an alternative for storage that needs to be learned, for another language. So even eliminating js, html and css, there is a UI toolkit of some sort to learn, a storage mechanism to learn. The layers are still there.
Jtsummers 4y ago
No you don’t. Web programming is highly visible, but hardly essential to all programming or even the most useful systems.