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I read your comment before reading the article, and expected to find some sneering torrent of vitriol seething with hatred for Marie Kondo and everything she st

I read your comment before reading the article, and expected to find some sneering torrent of vitriol seething with hatred for Marie Kondo and everything she stands for. Instead it was a bubbly little wisp of a human interest piece with a joke at the end about the rest of us now being free to stew in our own slop. It seems to be poking the mildest of fun at Kondo's admission that having kids doesn't leave her a lot of time to tidy up to the same standards she used to. And I assume we both read the same linked article. I guess this just shows how one's own experiences and resulting preconceptions affect perception of the same material; and that applies to both of us.

jstarfish 4y ago
It's unflattering and serves no purpose other than to discredit her as an ideology. Even the title prefix "Relatable:" betrays this. Our role models aren't supposed to be relatable, they're supposed to be better than us. Showing us that they aren't is just the adult equivalent of telling kids Santa isn't real. It doesn't spark Joy, it crushes Hope. Trolling masquerading as journalism. (FFS, people are still trying to find dirt on Fred Rogers. Leave the man alone and let the rest of us believe that not everyone and everything on this rock needs to be awful 24/7.)
- commoner 4y ago
  There's nothing negative about describing a celebrity as relatable. Relatability is something most celebrities these days strive for in order to portray themselves as more authentic to their audience. For celebrities that heavily rely on social media, relatability attracts followers and sales. https://www.diggitmagazine.com/articles/supposed-authenticity-social-media-celebrities https://www.diggitmagazine.com/articles/supposed-authenticit... https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/05/its-genuine-you-know-why-the-online-influencer-industry-is-going-authentic https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/05/its-genuine-yo...
  - jstarfish 4y ago
    Fair point, but she started as a guru selling an Idea. She's a celebrity after that. I think I'm just angry that she sold out. Relatability in terms of acknowledging you don't/can't eat your own dogfood makes the whole thing feel like a betrayal. (...not unlike watching Rachael Ray go from being a celebrity chef to a name on a line of literal dog food.)
    - nmz 4y ago
      And its still a good idea, but she's still human, having kids is overwhelming for everyone (except the rich) She's not selling out, she's showing imperfection, a trait of all human beings. The expectation of human transcendence and perfection is I'm sorry to say, a bit childish.
- dwaltrip 4y ago
  You want to believe in the adult equivalent of Santa being real?? You can benefit from someone’s wisdom and insight despite them being just as human as you.
- Jommi 4y ago
  >Our role models aren't supposed to be relatable, they're supposed to be better than us. What in the bizarro world?? Go read some research regarding role models and see just how wrong you are. The whole point in effectiveness of role models IS relatability. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=role+model+relatable&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=role...
thenerdhead 4y ago
Yes agreed that perceptions can be significantly different. Another perspective is these types of articles are designed by media manipulators to be polarizing so they generate more clicks. There's plenty published in the last 24 hours on her in this vein that will show you what I'm talking about. I mean she did just release a new book and this tactic isn't unheard of for best sellers to climb. The most powerful predictor of what spreads online is anger. Monetizing on humiliation is common too.
paulddraper 4y ago
The content of the article is good. The title is clickbait. (But what isn't nowadays?)

jstarfish 4y ago

It's unflattering and serves no purpose other than to discredit her as an ideology. Even the title prefix "Relatable:" betrays this. Our role models aren't supposed to be relatable, they're supposed to be better than us. Showing us that they aren't is just the adult equivalent of telling kids Santa isn't real. It doesn't spark Joy, it crushes Hope. Trolling masquerading as journalism. (FFS, people are still trying to find dirt on Fred Rogers. Leave the man alone and let the rest of us believe that not everyone and everything on this rock needs to be awful 24/7.)

commoner 4y ago
There's nothing negative about describing a celebrity as relatable. Relatability is something most celebrities these days strive for in order to portray themselves as more authentic to their audience. For celebrities that heavily rely on social media, relatability attracts followers and sales. https://www.diggitmagazine.com/articles/supposed-authenticity-social-media-celebrities https://www.diggitmagazine.com/articles/supposed-authenticit... https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/05/its-genuine-you-know-why-the-online-influencer-industry-is-going-authentic https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/05/its-genuine-yo...
- jstarfish 4y ago
  Fair point, but she started as a guru selling an Idea. She's a celebrity after that. I think I'm just angry that she sold out. Relatability in terms of acknowledging you don't/can't eat your own dogfood makes the whole thing feel like a betrayal. (...not unlike watching Rachael Ray go from being a celebrity chef to a name on a line of literal dog food.)
  - nmz 4y ago
    And its still a good idea, but she's still human, having kids is overwhelming for everyone (except the rich) She's not selling out, she's showing imperfection, a trait of all human beings. The expectation of human transcendence and perfection is I'm sorry to say, a bit childish.
dwaltrip 4y ago
You want to believe in the adult equivalent of Santa being real?? You can benefit from someone’s wisdom and insight despite them being just as human as you.
Jommi 4y ago
>Our role models aren't supposed to be relatable, they're supposed to be better than us. What in the bizarro world?? Go read some research regarding role models and see just how wrong you are. The whole point in effectiveness of role models IS relatability. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=role+model+relatable&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=role...

thenerdhead 4y ago

Yes agreed that perceptions can be significantly different. Another perspective is these types of articles are designed by media manipulators to be polarizing so they generate more clicks. There's plenty published in the last 24 hours on her in this vein that will show you what I'm talking about. I mean she did just release a new book and this tactic isn't unheard of for best sellers to climb. The most powerful predictor of what spreads online is anger. Monetizing on humiliation is common too.

paulddraper 4y ago

The content of the article is good. The title is clickbait. (But what isn't nowadays?)