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Where Debian is a reputable distribution with a clear goal, the Devuan crew is solving a non-issue by means of almost religious levels of resistance toward syst

Where Debian is a reputable distribution with a clear goal, the Devuan crew is solving a non-issue by means of almost religious levels of resistance toward systemd. If you want technological merit, chose Debian. If you want to join the conservatives of Linux, you should go for Devuan.

cf100clunk 4y ago
Even during Debian's systemd adoption wars I'd never seen any argument calling into question Devuan as ''disreputable''. After all, it was a group of experienced Debian folks that made a systemd-less version of Debian that compares almost exactly with Debian's status and capabilities. I hope in your case you have not been forced to use Devuan.
- shzhdbi09gv8ioi 4y ago
  Hit me up when you finally notice that enterprise and seniors embraced systemd years ago while you kept avoiding change.
  - cf100clunk 4y ago
    You implied that Devuan is disreputable.
    - codetrotter 4y ago
      I don’t think that’s what they are saying. Debian is reputable because it is widely widely used for ages. Devuan is not disreputable. It is simply a fringe variant of Debian that has much fewer users and no obvious reason to adopt for most people. Debian has a good reputation. Devuan does not have much of a reputation at all, because most people that might use it have no problem with using Debian and systemd.
- andrewshadura 4y ago
  > it was a group of experienced Debian folks No, it wasn't. There was only one ex-Debian person in their team.
  - cf100clunk 4y ago
    I'd heard many times over the years that Roger Leigh was given a great deal of support by other Debian people, let alone across the Linux community. Maybe I misremembered.
pessimizer 4y ago
You're using language and innuendo instead of argument to imply that the maintainers and users of Devuan are irrational. The objections to systemd were almost completely about the technical merits, with a side order of being annoyed that Red Hat was again being allowed to dictate the standard Linux stack by inserting another impenetrable monolith. I know it's weird for me to object to your comment without implying that you're insane. It's alright to feel like using systemd after a tangle of init scripts was a breath of fresh air. I understand that point of view. I don't understand the invective against people who put their money where their mouths were.

cf100clunk 4y ago

Even during Debian's systemd adoption wars I'd never seen any argument calling into question Devuan as ''disreputable''. After all, it was a group of experienced Debian folks that made a systemd-less version of Debian that compares almost exactly with Debian's status and capabilities. I hope in your case you have not been forced to use Devuan.

shzhdbi09gv8ioi 4y ago
Hit me up when you finally notice that enterprise and seniors embraced systemd years ago while you kept avoiding change.
- cf100clunk 4y ago
  You implied that Devuan is disreputable.
  - codetrotter 4y ago
    I don’t think that’s what they are saying. Debian is reputable because it is widely widely used for ages. Devuan is not disreputable. It is simply a fringe variant of Debian that has much fewer users and no obvious reason to adopt for most people. Debian has a good reputation. Devuan does not have much of a reputation at all, because most people that might use it have no problem with using Debian and systemd.
andrewshadura 4y ago
> it was a group of experienced Debian folks No, it wasn't. There was only one ex-Debian person in their team.
- cf100clunk 4y ago
  I'd heard many times over the years that Roger Leigh was given a great deal of support by other Debian people, let alone across the Linux community. Maybe I misremembered.

pessimizer 4y ago

You're using language and innuendo instead of argument to imply that the maintainers and users of Devuan are irrational. The objections to systemd were almost completely about the technical merits, with a side order of being annoyed that Red Hat was again being allowed to dictate the standard Linux stack by inserting another impenetrable monolith. I know it's weird for me to object to your comment without implying that you're insane. It's alright to feel like using systemd after a tangle of init scripts was a breath of fresh air. I understand that point of view. I don't understand the invective against people who put their money where their mouths were.