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I don't know why people find this awe inspiring. For me, inspiring stories are about overcoming adversity, like physical disability and living a full life. Thi

by fluxem 4y ago

I don't know why people find this awe inspiring. For me, inspiring stories are about overcoming adversity, like physical disability and living a full life. This video is about a man, who is keep making poor decisions and living consequences. Why is living 5 hours away from civilization? He could have build a hut an hour away, which would be more convenient (and safer). Why doesn't he installed a proper window, which would keep his house warmer and require less trips for the wood. Why doesn't he have a job, which could pay for food, instead of wasting the whole days gathering for food. This is reminding me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAq-r2dm9Tw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAq-r2dm9Tw

vbezhenar 4y ago
I don't think that it's legal in Russia to just build a hut in the wood and cut trees around. Of course if it's depths of Siberia, nobody will notice, but if it's near big city, it might be different. So this might be one factor why he's away from civilization. He does not want to deal with bureaucrats.
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- nibbleshifter 4y ago
  > He does not want to deal with bureaucrats. Highly likely. He lives just far enough out that they can't be fucked dealing with him.
  - dopidopHN 4y ago
    Exactly, late in the 1800 , early 1900 it was common for a orthodox sect to just recede further in the Siberian taïga. Some geological team found a familly of those guy and gal in the 80s. They were doing surprisingly well. ( to an extend )
    - culebron21 4y ago
      Oh, the Lykov family [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lykov_family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lykov_family]. The encounter was devastating for the family, because all 4 sons (aged about 20+ I guess) died of pneumonia they caught from the geologists (as they weren't vaccinated and never met any human pathogenes in their entire life). Only their daughter survived and she's still alive there, with a man who came to help her recently. But I doubt that they did well. They complained to the geologists that their metal dishes were wearing out to holes. They still did have some sickles to cut some crops, but I'm sure they'd get out of order within a decade too. Apparently, in such a small number of people it's impossible to produce metal and tools. There's a better example: "Happy People" documentary [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbhPIK-oBvA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbhPIK-oBvA], about a village of hunters on the Yenissei river, with only river transport to the civilization. It looks very romantic untill the end where you see nunters selling furs cheaper than they hope, and they still depend on tools and fuel.
      - dopidopHN 4y ago
        Yeah that’s them! I find it really impressive that they survived so long, and managed to carry so much complexes activities. You mention sickles, they were aware that they were running low on barley and we’re actively preserving seeds instead of eating it. Little details like that make me think they had a good command of living where they were.
- culebron21 4y ago
  Villages are depopulating across entire Russia except for South-West, so it's not hard to find an abandoned house. It would lack glass and some floors whould probably have been cut for (fire)wood, but if you have an axe/saw, a temporary fix isn't hard. Then, you can scavenge glass and plywood from other houses to fix windows. In such villages there's no bureaucrat around to be bothered by this.
zelphirkalt 4y ago
Well, not everyone can or wants to enjoy a first world living standard.
elvis10ten 4y ago
> I don't know why people find this awe inspiring Maybe it made people question what is actually essential. And it’s crazy (like wow) that he has done this for 20 years, I don’t think people will choose to go live in the middle of nowhere after watching this. > who is keep making poor decisions and living consequences. A statement without (his) context. To add to your other questions: why did he choose to do this? Does he enjoy this? Etc.
- xwdv 4y ago
  This has convinced me more things are essential, not less. The man doesn’t get proper exercise. He can’t, he spends all his time just trying to survive.
s5300 4y ago
>>I don't know why people find this awe inspiring >> This video is about a man, who is keep making poor decisions and living consequences. This reeks of jumping to conclusions & victim blaming. Would you treat somebody with schizophrenia the same way? fwiw, dude seems like he was traumatized by losing his family & whatever else & this was his only way of coping with life. That’s definitely jumping to conclusions from my POV… but perhaps a better guess than victim blaming.
- kilgnad 4y ago
  You might be right. But his questions are valid. In this day an age cancel culture has everyone pointing fingers and blaming everyone for just having opinions. Who cares man. All I care about is that those questions are legit. Why does he live so far and why no window? There's some suggestions as to why... but those suggestions aren't satisfactory imo.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    You don’t have to know every detail about everyone. Minding your own business is free.
    - kilgnad 4y ago
      But not minding my own business and wanting to know more is something I'm willing to spend a little time and energy on asking about. Anyway the point is, his questions are valid. I myself wonder and just like you have the right to mind your own business, I have the right to ask questions.
      - watwut 4y ago
        Genuinely, I do not think OP was asking questions or was seeking answers to them. That is what asking questions is - seeking more information. OP was using question format, but the goal was not information seeking. The goal was to tell us all that OP thinks guys made bad choices, deserves suffering and it is not valid to be interested in mini document about him. It was about voicing anger. And that is exactly what people are reacting to.

by fluxem 4y ago

vbezhenar 4y ago

I don't think that it's legal in Russia to just build a hut in the wood and cut trees around. Of course if it's depths of Siberia, nobody will notice, but if it's near big city, it might be different. So this might be one factor why he's away from civilization. He does not want to deal with bureaucrats.

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nibbleshifter 4y ago
> He does not want to deal with bureaucrats. Highly likely. He lives just far enough out that they can't be fucked dealing with him.
- dopidopHN 4y ago
  Exactly, late in the 1800 , early 1900 it was common for a orthodox sect to just recede further in the Siberian taïga. Some geological team found a familly of those guy and gal in the 80s. They were doing surprisingly well. ( to an extend )
  - culebron21 4y ago
    Oh, the Lykov family [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lykov_family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lykov_family]. The encounter was devastating for the family, because all 4 sons (aged about 20+ I guess) died of pneumonia they caught from the geologists (as they weren't vaccinated and never met any human pathogenes in their entire life). Only their daughter survived and she's still alive there, with a man who came to help her recently. But I doubt that they did well. They complained to the geologists that their metal dishes were wearing out to holes. They still did have some sickles to cut some crops, but I'm sure they'd get out of order within a decade too. Apparently, in such a small number of people it's impossible to produce metal and tools. There's a better example: "Happy People" documentary [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbhPIK-oBvA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbhPIK-oBvA], about a village of hunters on the Yenissei river, with only river transport to the civilization. It looks very romantic untill the end where you see nunters selling furs cheaper than they hope, and they still depend on tools and fuel.
    - dopidopHN 4y ago
      Yeah that’s them! I find it really impressive that they survived so long, and managed to carry so much complexes activities. You mention sickles, they were aware that they were running low on barley and we’re actively preserving seeds instead of eating it. Little details like that make me think they had a good command of living where they were.
culebron21 4y ago
Villages are depopulating across entire Russia except for South-West, so it's not hard to find an abandoned house. It would lack glass and some floors whould probably have been cut for (fire)wood, but if you have an axe/saw, a temporary fix isn't hard. Then, you can scavenge glass and plywood from other houses to fix windows. In such villages there's no bureaucrat around to be bothered by this.

zelphirkalt 4y ago

Well, not everyone can or wants to enjoy a first world living standard.

elvis10ten 4y ago

> I don't know why people find this awe inspiring Maybe it made people question what is actually essential. And it’s crazy (like wow) that he has done this for 20 years, I don’t think people will choose to go live in the middle of nowhere after watching this. > who is keep making poor decisions and living consequences. A statement without (his) context. To add to your other questions: why did he choose to do this? Does he enjoy this? Etc.

xwdv 4y ago
This has convinced me more things are essential, not less. The man doesn’t get proper exercise. He can’t, he spends all his time just trying to survive.

s5300 4y ago

>>I don't know why people find this awe inspiring >> This video is about a man, who is keep making poor decisions and living consequences. This reeks of jumping to conclusions & victim blaming. Would you treat somebody with schizophrenia the same way? fwiw, dude seems like he was traumatized by losing his family & whatever else & this was his only way of coping with life. That’s definitely jumping to conclusions from my POV… but perhaps a better guess than victim blaming.

kilgnad 4y ago
You might be right. But his questions are valid. In this day an age cancel culture has everyone pointing fingers and blaming everyone for just having opinions. Who cares man. All I care about is that those questions are legit. Why does he live so far and why no window? There's some suggestions as to why... but those suggestions aren't satisfactory imo.
- the_only_law 4y ago
  You don’t have to know every detail about everyone. Minding your own business is free.
  - kilgnad 4y ago
    But not minding my own business and wanting to know more is something I'm willing to spend a little time and energy on asking about. Anyway the point is, his questions are valid. I myself wonder and just like you have the right to mind your own business, I have the right to ask questions.
    - watwut 4y ago
      Genuinely, I do not think OP was asking questions or was seeking answers to them. That is what asking questions is - seeking more information. OP was using question format, but the goal was not information seeking. The goal was to tell us all that OP thinks guys made bad choices, deserves suffering and it is not valid to be interested in mini document about him. It was about voicing anger. And that is exactly what people are reacting to.