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It strikes me how his entire day is filled and spend providing for his basic needs. If he doesn’t get up in the morning he will freeze to death for lack of heat

It strikes me how his entire day is filled and spend providing for his basic needs. If he doesn’t get up in the morning he will freeze to death for lack of heat during the winter. The ice from the lake versus snow seems weird to me. Can anyone comment on “freezing lake removing impurities and being safer than snow”? He does need a better window though, I’m happy to provide this via go fund me or something. He would definitely make a bunch of money documenting his life and posting to YouTube, enabling him to get proper insulation. Regardless, this is great if this is the life he desires. I feel horrible for those poor dogs though. They seem to be underfed and if he suffers any issues they will freeze to death or starve. I hate that.

vbezhenar 4y ago
Snowflake forms on small dirt particle. Snow is inherently dirt. Never use snow for drink water. Just try to melt some snow and you'll see for yourself. Ice is different. Using ice is definitely proper approach if you don't have better sources of water.
- fruit2020 4y ago
  Why would snow be dirt? It falls from the sky
  - qup 4y ago
    It needs dirt to start forming the snowflake crystal. I can't imagine it being a problem ingesting it, though.
- 867-5309 4y ago
  perhaps the base layer of snow will be dirty from having contact with the ground, but any snow on top of that will be safe to drink so long as the pH is close to neutral
  - watwut 4y ago
    Afaik, snow is NOT safe to drink in the long term, because it does not contain minerals. It will demineralize you which is why mountain climbers don't drink snow.
    - 867-5309 4y ago
      the difference being that mountain dwellers would find alternative sources of minerals, and climbers would take supplements with them if you're dehydrated you're not going to pass on snow in search of ice
      - watwut 4y ago
        In that particular situation, when you are dehydrated on hike with snow around, eating snow will dehydrate you further. Not just because of minerals thing, but because of temperature thing - your body looses more water due to the need to warm it and melt it as you eat. Those the ice will have similar problem. In that situation, either younfind warm fairly quick or die. Which makes it different situation then long term survival for years.
        steine65 4y ago
        Most people in that situation would be carrying a backpacking stove and pot. I have known plenty to melt snow in dry areas.
  - heelix 4y ago
    From my winter camping - it takes a lot more work to melt snow than ice, when one is boiling water.
    - 867-5309 4y ago
      I'd imagine it depends on the type of snow and the type of ice, but if we're talking about (almost) pure water types then snow would obviously melt more readily than ice
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woleium 4y ago
As water freezes it forms a crystal lattice. As the lattice forms it pushes impurities away from the formation front. This is why ice cubes are clear at the edges and discolored in the center, the impurities are all pushed to the last place to freeze, the middle. By taking the top of the frozen lake he's getting the (more) pure water, similar to the edge of an ice cube.
- dotancohen 4y ago
  In summer I freeze 1 liter plastic bottles of spring water before a long trip. I've noticed that removing the cap and licking the ice near the top reveals it to be salty. Could that be because the impurities have been pushed out?
s5300 4y ago
>> his entire day is filled and spend providing for his basic needs. If he doesn’t get up in the morning he will freeze to death for lack of heat during the winter. Could very well be the only thing/routine that’s able to keep him going/alive. Being alone with your thoughts & not staying active at all is pretty severely bad for your health. Given that he states his entire family died when he was young & he doesn’t feel as if he can fit in with society, he’s probably quite traumatized & it wouldn’t surprise me if this were the case. >>I feel horrible for those poor dogs though. They seem to be underfed and if he suffers any issues they will freeze to death or starve. I hate that. As much as it may suck to those of us living in modern societies, animals are tools. Especially dogs. They have been appropriated as such for presumably all of human history. In the urban US they tend to be tools for the owners feel good emotions nowadays - essentially ornaments/living trinkets. Like the poor brachycephalic Frenchie of somebody I’m currently living with that can’t breathe & slobbers all over itself 24/7. If it ever got out of the house by itself, it would be eaten in around 10 minutes by any one of a few dozen coyotes that inhabits my desert neighborhood. If you want to be sad about animals, direct that towards your local chain animal shelter that non-humanely euthanizes & incinerates them by the 55 gallon drum. Not some lonely hermits only companions & day-to-day assistance. Oh boy. I’m being a buzzkill. I really do hope he’s able to get a proper window that will hold up in that environment through this social media exposure & perhaps some sort of security/lifeline for if he were to suddenly fall ill. Anyways - I was very much reminded of the Lykov family upon seeing this story. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lykov_family https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lykov_family
FpUser 4y ago
>"If he doesn’t get up in the morning he will freeze to death for lack of heat during the winter." Pretty sure he has some emergency stash to be used when he is sick. Unless of course at some point he becomes too frail and would rather prefer for nature to take care of the matter.
MuffinFlavored 4y ago
> It strikes me how his entire day is filled and spend providing for his basic needs. If he doesn’t get up in the morning he will freeze to death for lack of heat during the winter. Meanwhile I have a friend who doesn't work, lives at home, never leaves the house, watches Twitch/YouTube + scrolls Twitter all day. Two different people living completely opposite worlds, and interestingly enough both of them probably think the other has it wrong and they have it right. How can something as massive as "entire lifestyle choice" be so open for wildly varying interpretations?
- docandrew 4y ago
  I know whose autobiography I’d rather read.
  - californical 4y ago
    Only because it’s so uncommon. If we all lived alone in the woods, we’d probably be curious about the all-day-digital person
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      I don't think that is why. An all day digital person is the same as any other all day digital person. Nothing unique or interesting happens to them. They may even be watching the exact same content. If you have seen one all day digital person, you have seen them all. People who have to work everyday to survive are going to have an experience that others who also have to work everyday won't have. Their lives are filled with unique experiences including life and death situations which can be thrilling stories. If you have seen one of these people, all you have seen is one of them.
      - throwaway675309 4y ago
        Not if everyone has to work to survive - they'll all have similar types of "Life and death" experiences. Not to mention the psychological trauma that comes with those types of experiences, people who think "that which does not kill me only makes me stronger" have never suffered a heart attack. It's this weird henry Thoreau transcendental nonsense from people who have never actually had to rough it.
pier25 4y ago
> I feel horrible for those poor dogs though Those dogs would probably be already dead if it wasn't for him. I don't think strays survive those harsh winters.

vbezhenar 4y ago

Snowflake forms on small dirt particle. Snow is inherently dirt. Never use snow for drink water. Just try to melt some snow and you'll see for yourself. Ice is different. Using ice is definitely proper approach if you don't have better sources of water.

fruit2020 4y ago
Why would snow be dirt? It falls from the sky
- qup 4y ago
  It needs dirt to start forming the snowflake crystal. I can't imagine it being a problem ingesting it, though.
867-5309 4y ago
perhaps the base layer of snow will be dirty from having contact with the ground, but any snow on top of that will be safe to drink so long as the pH is close to neutral
- watwut 4y ago
  Afaik, snow is NOT safe to drink in the long term, because it does not contain minerals. It will demineralize you which is why mountain climbers don't drink snow.
  - 867-5309 4y ago
    the difference being that mountain dwellers would find alternative sources of minerals, and climbers would take supplements with them if you're dehydrated you're not going to pass on snow in search of ice
    - watwut 4y ago
      In that particular situation, when you are dehydrated on hike with snow around, eating snow will dehydrate you further. Not just because of minerals thing, but because of temperature thing - your body looses more water due to the need to warm it and melt it as you eat. Those the ice will have similar problem. In that situation, either younfind warm fairly quick or die. Which makes it different situation then long term survival for years.
      - steine65 4y ago
        Most people in that situation would be carrying a backpacking stove and pot. I have known plenty to melt snow in dry areas.
- heelix 4y ago
  From my winter camping - it takes a lot more work to melt snow than ice, when one is boiling water.
  - 867-5309 4y ago
    I'd imagine it depends on the type of snow and the type of ice, but if we're talking about (almost) pure water types then snow would obviously melt more readily than ice
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woleium 4y ago

As water freezes it forms a crystal lattice. As the lattice forms it pushes impurities away from the formation front. This is why ice cubes are clear at the edges and discolored in the center, the impurities are all pushed to the last place to freeze, the middle. By taking the top of the frozen lake he's getting the (more) pure water, similar to the edge of an ice cube.

dotancohen 4y ago
In summer I freeze 1 liter plastic bottles of spring water before a long trip. I've noticed that removing the cap and licking the ice near the top reveals it to be salty. Could that be because the impurities have been pushed out?

s5300 4y ago

>> his entire day is filled and spend providing for his basic needs. If he doesn’t get up in the morning he will freeze to death for lack of heat during the winter. Could very well be the only thing/routine that’s able to keep him going/alive. Being alone with your thoughts & not staying active at all is pretty severely bad for your health. Given that he states his entire family died when he was young & he doesn’t feel as if he can fit in with society, he’s probably quite traumatized & it wouldn’t surprise me if this were the case. >>I feel horrible for those poor dogs though. They seem to be underfed and if he suffers any issues they will freeze to death or starve. I hate that. As much as it may suck to those of us living in modern societies, animals are tools. Especially dogs. They have been appropriated as such for presumably all of human history. In the urban US they tend to be tools for the owners feel good emotions nowadays - essentially ornaments/living trinkets. Like the poor brachycephalic Frenchie of somebody I’m currently living with that can’t breathe & slobbers all over itself 24/7. If it ever got out of the house by itself, it would be eaten in around 10 minutes by any one of a few dozen coyotes that inhabits my desert neighborhood. If you want to be sad about animals, direct that towards your local chain animal shelter that non-humanely euthanizes & incinerates them by the 55 gallon drum. Not some lonely hermits only companions & day-to-day assistance. Oh boy. I’m being a buzzkill. I really do hope he’s able to get a proper window that will hold up in that environment through this social media exposure & perhaps some sort of security/lifeline for if he were to suddenly fall ill. Anyways - I was very much reminded of the Lykov family upon seeing this story. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lykov_family https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lykov_family

FpUser 4y ago

>"If he doesn’t get up in the morning he will freeze to death for lack of heat during the winter." Pretty sure he has some emergency stash to be used when he is sick. Unless of course at some point he becomes too frail and would rather prefer for nature to take care of the matter.

MuffinFlavored 4y ago

> It strikes me how his entire day is filled and spend providing for his basic needs. If he doesn’t get up in the morning he will freeze to death for lack of heat during the winter. Meanwhile I have a friend who doesn't work, lives at home, never leaves the house, watches Twitch/YouTube + scrolls Twitter all day. Two different people living completely opposite worlds, and interestingly enough both of them probably think the other has it wrong and they have it right. How can something as massive as "entire lifestyle choice" be so open for wildly varying interpretations?

docandrew 4y ago
I know whose autobiography I’d rather read.
- californical 4y ago
  Only because it’s so uncommon. If we all lived alone in the woods, we’d probably be curious about the all-day-digital person
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    I don't think that is why. An all day digital person is the same as any other all day digital person. Nothing unique or interesting happens to them. They may even be watching the exact same content. If you have seen one all day digital person, you have seen them all. People who have to work everyday to survive are going to have an experience that others who also have to work everyday won't have. Their lives are filled with unique experiences including life and death situations which can be thrilling stories. If you have seen one of these people, all you have seen is one of them.
    - throwaway675309 4y ago
      Not if everyone has to work to survive - they'll all have similar types of "Life and death" experiences. Not to mention the psychological trauma that comes with those types of experiences, people who think "that which does not kill me only makes me stronger" have never suffered a heart attack. It's this weird henry Thoreau transcendental nonsense from people who have never actually had to rough it.

pier25 4y ago

> I feel horrible for those poor dogs though Those dogs would probably be already dead if it wasn't for him. I don't think strays survive those harsh winters.