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If you are comfortable with Ubuntu then perhaps Debian [1], the OS that Ubuntu was forked from would feel natural? [1] - https://www.debian.org/ https://www.de

If you are comfortable with Ubuntu then perhaps Debian [1], the OS that Ubuntu was forked from would feel natural? [1] - https://www.debian.org/ https://www.debian.org/

simfree 4y ago
After switching from Ubuntu to Debian, it feels like Ubuntu is just a frankenDebian where packages of different versions are mixed haphazardly resulting in many minor but annoying issues.
hanniabu 4y ago
Wow, if there's one thing open source projects are known for, it's dated websites
- vorticalbox 4y ago
  > isn't broken don't fix it Though in this case it's likely to keep it accessible to people we slow internet connections.
  - hanniabu 4y ago
    It's 1.4mb for an incredibly simple page, and a modern design doesn't mean it needs to be some bloated webapp
    - tmtvl 4y ago
      1.4 MB? WTH, Debian's current page is 14 KB, that is 0.014 MB. 1.4 MB, good grief, that is larger than Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment.
      - cesarb 4y ago
        > 1.4 MB? WTH, Debian's current page is 14 KB, that is 0.014 MB. It depends on whether you're looking at just the HTML or at the page as a whole. The HTML is that small, but there are a couple of JPEG photos on the home page, each weighing on the order of hundreds of kilobytes; the total including these photos is around 1.4 MB.
- bloopernova 4y ago
  Could you be more specific? What exactly should Debian's website offer that it currently isn't?
  - hanniabu 4y ago
    More pleasing to the eyes and not from the 90s. A more attractive site wouldn't turn people off as soon as they visit it and would yield more users and support. Ubuntu's site for example looks nicer and only 0.1mb larger.
    - steelframe 4y ago
      Are you volunteering to redo debian.org? Because that's how this works.
      - npteljes 4y ago
        That's not how it works. I don't think the people on top of the debian community would just let anyone redesign their home page, even if the website would be objectively better in some regard.
        steelframe 4y ago
        Oh, there would be a debate, for sure. It will probably go through a lot of bikeshedding. But if you demonstrate competence and commitment and stroke the right egos, it can certainly happen.
    - bandrami 4y ago
      Now compare the two on Lynx
    - BrotherBisquick 4y ago
      I never thought i'd meet the guy who actually likes web bloat, and on HN of all places. I thought you were just a legend, like Kayser Soeze.
    - 4y ago
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Debian's website isn't dated, it's constantly updated and a wonderful, comprehensive resource. Unless you're bikeshedding about rounded corners or something.
  - hanniabu 4y ago
    You can have a constantly updated grate resource that's still dated. Dated is in reference to the UI.
    - riku_iki 4y ago
      its old school, not dated.
- npteljes 4y ago
  Yes, this is part of the open source culture. It's a matter of resource allocation, and a bit of signalling. If you'd like a trendy corporate website, take a look at a distro that's backed by a corporation too, like Ubuntu, or Red Hat.
steelframe 4y ago
For me Debian has really been "the girl next door" of Linux distros over the past 20 years. I've been momentarily pulled away by "the new hotness" like Gentoo, Ubuntu, Arch, or Flatcar. But I just keep going back to Debian. With a recent price drop I decided to upgrade the storage on my Thinkpad T480s, so I had occasion to reinstall the OS. I went with Debian Bullseye. Choosing all the default settings with LightDM and XFCE, everything except wireless "just worked." Understandably, I had to enable non-free for the Intel wireless firmware, but a simple apt install had that working flawlessly. Everything about my base system is perfect for me. Booting is quick. Power management is great, with the battery (now at 90% of its original capacity) easily lasting all day. Full volume encryption setup was effortless. I even got Secure Boot running after following some steps (more or less copy-and-paste) from the Debian wiki. When the time comes to upgrade the laptop wholesale to something with a more recent CPU, I half expect that simply moving the M.2 SSD from my current laptop to the new laptop will just work, or at least will require minimal tweaking. I've tried using snap to get more recent versions of things, but that ended up being more trouble than it's worth. Now I just build my own containers, running them with UID/GID mapping, giving access to X11, and bind mounting a dedicated home directory for the app. Sort of like a poor man's snap or Flatcar Linux, but it's easy enough to figure out, I get more customization, and I get to keep my old familiar Debian environment.

If you are comfortable with Ubuntu then perhaps Debian [1], the OS that Ubuntu was forked from would feel natural? [1] - https://www.debian.org/ https://www.debian.org/

simfree 4y ago

After switching from Ubuntu to Debian, it feels like Ubuntu is just a frankenDebian where packages of different versions are mixed haphazardly resulting in many minor but annoying issues.

hanniabu 4y ago

Wow, if there's one thing open source projects are known for, it's dated websites

vorticalbox 4y ago
> isn't broken don't fix it Though in this case it's likely to keep it accessible to people we slow internet connections.
- hanniabu 4y ago
  It's 1.4mb for an incredibly simple page, and a modern design doesn't mean it needs to be some bloated webapp
  - tmtvl 4y ago
    1.4 MB? WTH, Debian's current page is 14 KB, that is 0.014 MB. 1.4 MB, good grief, that is larger than Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment.
    - cesarb 4y ago
      > 1.4 MB? WTH, Debian's current page is 14 KB, that is 0.014 MB. It depends on whether you're looking at just the HTML or at the page as a whole. The HTML is that small, but there are a couple of JPEG photos on the home page, each weighing on the order of hundreds of kilobytes; the total including these photos is around 1.4 MB.
bloopernova 4y ago
Could you be more specific? What exactly should Debian's website offer that it currently isn't?
- hanniabu 4y ago
  More pleasing to the eyes and not from the 90s. A more attractive site wouldn't turn people off as soon as they visit it and would yield more users and support. Ubuntu's site for example looks nicer and only 0.1mb larger.
  - steelframe 4y ago
    Are you volunteering to redo debian.org? Because that's how this works.
    - npteljes 4y ago
      That's not how it works. I don't think the people on top of the debian community would just let anyone redesign their home page, even if the website would be objectively better in some regard.
      - steelframe 4y ago
        Oh, there would be a debate, for sure. It will probably go through a lot of bikeshedding. But if you demonstrate competence and commitment and stroke the right egos, it can certainly happen.
  - bandrami 4y ago
    Now compare the two on Lynx
  - BrotherBisquick 4y ago
    I never thought i'd meet the guy who actually likes web bloat, and on HN of all places. I thought you were just a legend, like Kayser Soeze.
  - 4y ago
pessimizer 4y ago
Debian's website isn't dated, it's constantly updated and a wonderful, comprehensive resource. Unless you're bikeshedding about rounded corners or something.
- hanniabu 4y ago
  You can have a constantly updated grate resource that's still dated. Dated is in reference to the UI.
  - riku_iki 4y ago
    its old school, not dated.
npteljes 4y ago
Yes, this is part of the open source culture. It's a matter of resource allocation, and a bit of signalling. If you'd like a trendy corporate website, take a look at a distro that's backed by a corporation too, like Ubuntu, or Red Hat.

steelframe 4y ago

For me Debian has really been "the girl next door" of Linux distros over the past 20 years. I've been momentarily pulled away by "the new hotness" like Gentoo, Ubuntu, Arch, or Flatcar. But I just keep going back to Debian. With a recent price drop I decided to upgrade the storage on my Thinkpad T480s, so I had occasion to reinstall the OS. I went with Debian Bullseye. Choosing all the default settings with LightDM and XFCE, everything except wireless "just worked." Understandably, I had to enable non-free for the Intel wireless firmware, but a simple apt install had that working flawlessly. Everything about my base system is perfect for me. Booting is quick. Power management is great, with the battery (now at 90% of its original capacity) easily lasting all day. Full volume encryption setup was effortless. I even got Secure Boot running after following some steps (more or less copy-and-paste) from the Debian wiki. When the time comes to upgrade the laptop wholesale to something with a more recent CPU, I half expect that simply moving the M.2 SSD from my current laptop to the new laptop will just work, or at least will require minimal tweaking. I've tried using snap to get more recent versions of things, but that ended up being more trouble than it's worth. Now I just build my own containers, running them with UID/GID mapping, giving access to X11, and bind mounting a dedicated home directory for the app. Sort of like a poor man's snap or Flatcar Linux, but it's easy enough to figure out, I get more customization, and I get to keep my old familiar Debian environment.