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of course I can. There are way too many researchers and scientists to list who I consider successful who aren’t multi millionaires. They are successful in a dif
by moomoo11 4y ago
of course I can. There are way too many researchers and scientists to list who I consider successful who aren’t multi millionaires. They are successful in a different context.
The discussion was about worshipping startup founders and success was in that context. My point is that people like us (tech workers, assuming u might be one too) look up more to escaping the hamster wheel of promotion driven development and other bullshit in favor of just living life. Startups are a capitalist game. You don’t need to play it, you’re free to do something else.
- cratermoon 4y ago> I consider successful I specifically said "worshipped as successful" to require not just personal opinion. I mean worshipped in the same way as Jobs, Gates, Musk, Bezos, or even entertainers like Oprah Winfrey, Steven Spielberg, Lady Gaga, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, and so on, are worshipped.
- moomoo11 4y agoIsn’t that subjective too? I don’t worship Bezos but I like Bill Gates and Elon. Like I said you’re comparing apples to oranges there’s no comparison between Elon and Oprah and Lady Gaga besides “they have a lot of followers and money”. How they did it is different and only Elon would be in the startup context. I mean Steven Hawking, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Higgs, Tim Berners Lee, etc are all “worshipped as successful” by many people since they’re popular and well known. In my circle of casual science fans (we aren't scientists) we worship these people because we like science. Success leads to money. Unless you’re in a commie country where it might lead to gulag lol.
- cratermoon 4y ago> Success leads to money. Unless you’re in a commie country where it might lead to gulag lol. Thank you for your analysis. It is both penetrating and diffuse.
- moomoo11 4y agoAm I wrong?
- cratermoon 4y agoIf someone doesn't make money, they aren't successful? That's how I read it. Which leaves open the question, are there three people who didn't make money yet who are broadly considered successful enough to attract worshippers from among the general population? If so, what makes them successful, if not net worth?
- moomoo11 4y agoNo I was saying that at least in capitalist western countries like the USA usually if you’re good at something and successful at it, the result is a lot of money. I’m a software engineer and I’d say I’m pretty good considering I always rank in the top 10%, so it makes sense to me that I’m paid a lot of money. I’m starting a company and I plan on doing my best to succeed on it. If I do, my success will lead to money. What I’m trying to say (esl so it’s hard for me maybe to convey) is that money is a side effect of being successful aka being good at something.