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The overwhelming majority of us have gotten covid, though. But only some are suffering from the thrombatic disorder. Have you thought about that at all?

Timon3 4y ago
Many have gotten COVID, but not everyone got significantly, sick. Many have gotten the flu, yet only very few of us have died to it. Most of us survived all the various illnesses we have as children, but not all of us were so lucky. What are you trying to imply? Is it really such a strange thought to you that not everyone will have the same symptoms, and not everyone will have similar kinds of damages?
- lamontcg 4y ago
  Yep, a frighteningly large chunk of the population thinks that their experiences generalizes to literally the entire rest of the population. You see this on both sides of the coin as well -- "I only caught a cold what are you all worried about" and "I got long COVID so everyone else will".
- mancerayder 4y ago
  Did you read the rest of the context here? To avoid implying anything let's recap: Heart attacks are on the rise, is the topic. Some are saying it's due to covid-19, as implied by parent. Some are saying things like, "What if this is just due to people on average being the fattest and most stressed out they've ever been? Being inside for a few years didn't help everyone physically." (comment here) And suggesting other causes (vax, etc). I then point out that almost everyone has had covid-19 at this point. It's not about discussing anecdotes / the strawman argument. I'm pointing out that clearly something else is at play here. Look, you have a very unhealthy population relative to recent history, given the high percentage of overweight/obese/sedentary people; you have stupid shutdowns of recreation[1]; you tell people the air outside is poisonous and the moral thing is to stay inside on the couch. Now it's end of 2020, early 2021 Suddenly everyone's a baker, consuming large amounts of alcohol, not exercising and many are gaining weight. We're doing the moral thing, but we're not doing what we were born to do, which is move our bodies, the singular best prevention for cardiovascular issues. That this constellation of things that happened prior to and during the pandemic would make some more susceptible to vascular disease is worth exploring as a multifactorial set of causes. 1 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/california-shuts-down-beaches-as-crowds-flock-to-the-coast https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/california-shuts-down-beac... At one point we even shut down beaches, because we thought the virus was flying around in the wind and sea air out of people's mouths. I still see people walking around alone on the streets wearing masks, today in 2023, like some sort of medieval superstition (reminiscent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory).
  - lamontcg 4y ago
    > I then point out that almost everyone has had covid-19 at this point. I literally don't understand how you can think that is a counter argument. We know that COVID-19 is also a clotting disorder because it slaps us in the face with it in severe cases. We expect that in less severe cases there could be long-term damage that only causes issues months to years later. We see that risk of death increases 18 months after recovery, long after the virus is gone. What's the mechanism at work there? It affects those who have recovered, not everyone who was sedentary. And at the same time it can be true that the vast majority of people do not suffer any long-term damage. Nobody disputes that, which is why your argument doesn't make any sense.
    - lamontcg 4y ago
      > Nobody disputes that [Well I guess as with all strong statements about humans that's not true, but outside of a few people on twitter with bad math and an emotional need to keep the pandemic running forever, nobody else thinks that COVID is going to cause serious harm to literally everyone]
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lamontcg 4y ago
Yes. Genetics, HLA subtypes, prior immune exposure, original antigenic sin, etc.

Timon3 4y ago

Many have gotten COVID, but not everyone got significantly, sick. Many have gotten the flu, yet only very few of us have died to it. Most of us survived all the various illnesses we have as children, but not all of us were so lucky. What are you trying to imply? Is it really such a strange thought to you that not everyone will have the same symptoms, and not everyone will have similar kinds of damages?

lamontcg 4y ago
Yep, a frighteningly large chunk of the population thinks that their experiences generalizes to literally the entire rest of the population. You see this on both sides of the coin as well -- "I only caught a cold what are you all worried about" and "I got long COVID so everyone else will".
mancerayder 4y ago
Did you read the rest of the context here? To avoid implying anything let's recap: Heart attacks are on the rise, is the topic. Some are saying it's due to covid-19, as implied by parent. Some are saying things like, "What if this is just due to people on average being the fattest and most stressed out they've ever been? Being inside for a few years didn't help everyone physically." (comment here) And suggesting other causes (vax, etc). I then point out that almost everyone has had covid-19 at this point. It's not about discussing anecdotes / the strawman argument. I'm pointing out that clearly something else is at play here. Look, you have a very unhealthy population relative to recent history, given the high percentage of overweight/obese/sedentary people; you have stupid shutdowns of recreation[1]; you tell people the air outside is poisonous and the moral thing is to stay inside on the couch. Now it's end of 2020, early 2021 Suddenly everyone's a baker, consuming large amounts of alcohol, not exercising and many are gaining weight. We're doing the moral thing, but we're not doing what we were born to do, which is move our bodies, the singular best prevention for cardiovascular issues. That this constellation of things that happened prior to and during the pandemic would make some more susceptible to vascular disease is worth exploring as a multifactorial set of causes. 1 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/california-shuts-down-beaches-as-crowds-flock-to-the-coast https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/california-shuts-down-beac... At one point we even shut down beaches, because we thought the virus was flying around in the wind and sea air out of people's mouths. I still see people walking around alone on the streets wearing masks, today in 2023, like some sort of medieval superstition (reminiscent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory).
- lamontcg 4y ago
  > I then point out that almost everyone has had covid-19 at this point. I literally don't understand how you can think that is a counter argument. We know that COVID-19 is also a clotting disorder because it slaps us in the face with it in severe cases. We expect that in less severe cases there could be long-term damage that only causes issues months to years later. We see that risk of death increases 18 months after recovery, long after the virus is gone. What's the mechanism at work there? It affects those who have recovered, not everyone who was sedentary. And at the same time it can be true that the vast majority of people do not suffer any long-term damage. Nobody disputes that, which is why your argument doesn't make any sense.
  - lamontcg 4y ago
    > Nobody disputes that [Well I guess as with all strong statements about humans that's not true, but outside of a few people on twitter with bad math and an emotional need to keep the pandemic running forever, nobody else thinks that COVID is going to cause serious harm to literally everyone]
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lamontcg 4y ago

Yes. Genetics, HLA subtypes, prior immune exposure, original antigenic sin, etc.