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War in Ukraine started in 2014th, with the violent coup orchestrated by the USA. If that didn't happen, there would simply be no war in Ukraine.

netsharc 4y ago
Fine, I'll bite... Because if the president is corrupt and the population is angry about it, it's USA's (or EU's) fault? There's a good record of Yanukovych's luxury residence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence), do you believe is it also just Western lies and propaganda? Maybe the Western governments should just let protesters know that they the support corrupt governments? Of course it's hardly a good argument from me because this is what the West does a lot, e.g. with Saudi Arabia or the Egyptian government before the Arab revolution. I suppose what you want is everyone supporting authoritarian governments, because hey, at least there the oppression is quiet and doesn't involve mass violence (e.g. individuals will be tortured behind closed doors instead of masses being shot in public).
- wheelerof4te 4y ago
  "Because if the president is corrupt and the population is angry about it, it's USA's (or EU's) fault? There's a good record of Yanukovych's luxury residence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence), do you believe is it also just Western lies and propaganda?" This is a weak argument. There are plenty of luxurious residences in the West, from the Buckingham Palace to Palace of Versailles, etc. Why should they be exempt from the evidence of "corruption" you speak of? The second paragraph should be a clear indication that the West cares not if the country is democratic or not. As long as it serves their interests.
  - netsharc 4y ago
    > There are plenty of luxurious residences in the West, from the Buckingham Palace to Palace of Versailles, etc. Oh, what a great argument. You win! /s > Why should they be exempt from the evidence of "corruption" you speak of? Because there's a paper trail of how these buildings came to be in the posession of their owners, and it's all rightful. Besides, Versailles, what a solid argument, duh, it's owned by the country? (But hey, don't let this fool you into believing you made a stupid argument). As for Buckingham Palace, well, the monarchy is a weird concept but it's now been molded into something that's palatable with democracy but hey, congratulations, now you've successfully changed to argument to be about monarchy vs democracy instead of the corrupt Yanukovych and Putin governments. You're so clever!
  - NicoJuicy 4y ago
    > This is a weak argument. There are plenty of luxurious residences in the West, from the Buckingham Palace to Palace of Versailles, etc. Talking about weak argument... Next level whataboutism.
NicoJuicy 4y ago
Coup is because of gray war by Russia. Ukraine didn't want to be involved with soviet mentality. Source: literal refugee friends from Ukraine.

netsharc 4y ago

Fine, I'll bite... Because if the president is corrupt and the population is angry about it, it's USA's (or EU's) fault? There's a good record of Yanukovych's luxury residence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence), do you believe is it also just Western lies and propaganda? Maybe the Western governments should just let protesters know that they the support corrupt governments? Of course it's hardly a good argument from me because this is what the West does a lot, e.g. with Saudi Arabia or the Egyptian government before the Arab revolution. I suppose what you want is everyone supporting authoritarian governments, because hey, at least there the oppression is quiet and doesn't involve mass violence (e.g. individuals will be tortured behind closed doors instead of masses being shot in public).

wheelerof4te 4y ago
"Because if the president is corrupt and the population is angry about it, it's USA's (or EU's) fault? There's a good record of Yanukovych's luxury residence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence), do you believe is it also just Western lies and propaganda?" This is a weak argument. There are plenty of luxurious residences in the West, from the Buckingham Palace to Palace of Versailles, etc. Why should they be exempt from the evidence of "corruption" you speak of? The second paragraph should be a clear indication that the West cares not if the country is democratic or not. As long as it serves their interests.
- netsharc 4y ago
  > There are plenty of luxurious residences in the West, from the Buckingham Palace to Palace of Versailles, etc. Oh, what a great argument. You win! /s > Why should they be exempt from the evidence of "corruption" you speak of? Because there's a paper trail of how these buildings came to be in the posession of their owners, and it's all rightful. Besides, Versailles, what a solid argument, duh, it's owned by the country? (But hey, don't let this fool you into believing you made a stupid argument). As for Buckingham Palace, well, the monarchy is a weird concept but it's now been molded into something that's palatable with democracy but hey, congratulations, now you've successfully changed to argument to be about monarchy vs democracy instead of the corrupt Yanukovych and Putin governments. You're so clever!
- NicoJuicy 4y ago
  > This is a weak argument. There are plenty of luxurious residences in the West, from the Buckingham Palace to Palace of Versailles, etc. Talking about weak argument... Next level whataboutism.

NicoJuicy 4y ago

Coup is because of gray war by Russia. Ukraine didn't want to be involved with soviet mentality. Source: literal refugee friends from Ukraine.