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That's an interesting point. I'm from Germany and we definitely have founder worship here (but we have fewer founders, and these days a lot of the 'startups' ar

That's an interesting point. I'm from Germany and we definitely have founder worship here (but we have fewer founders, and these days a lot of the 'startups' are just projects by students looking for state subsidies, not private money) but we also have a lot of protestants. Is it not the same in Spain or Italy?

anonyme-honteux 4y ago
Max Weber's "Protestant Ethic" did not refer to the teaching of Luther that are mainstream in Germany but specifically to the Calvinists and Pietists that brought their value to the US. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_S... When he discussed it in the Protestant Ethic, he used Lutheranism as the chief example of the unio mystica that contrasted sharply with the ascetic posture. Later he would associate "Luther, the symbolic exponent of bureaucratic despotism, with the ascetic hostility to Eros — an example of Weber's sporadic tendency to link together bureaucratic and ascetic modes of life and to oppose both from mystical and aristocratic perspectives." However, Weber saw the fulfillment of the Protestant ethic not in Lutheranism, which was too concerned with the reception of divine spirit in the soul, but in Calvinistic forms of Christianity.[6]: 32–33 The trend was carried further still in Pietism.
- spiralx 4y ago
  The US definitely has always had a strong Calvinist bent to it and there's been discussion of the increasing influence of Calvinist thought amongst Evangelism in recent times - see "creeping Calvinism" as it's been called: http://targuman.org/2016/07/21/seeking-comfort-in-crisis-creeping-calvinism/ http://targuman.org/2016/07/21/seeking-comfort-in-crisis-cre... https://www.reformation21.org/mos/1517/creeping-calvinism https://www.reformation21.org/mos/1517/creeping-calvinism
- luckylion 4y ago
  Interesting, thank you for pointing out that it wasn't necessarily about protestants in general. Which does beg the question though: given that Germany isn't Calvinist, and we still have founder worship, is Calvinism really the reason founders are worshiped in the US?

anonyme-honteux 4y ago

Max Weber's "Protestant Ethic" did not refer to the teaching of Luther that are mainstream in Germany but specifically to the Calvinists and Pietists that brought their value to the US. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_S... When he discussed it in the Protestant Ethic, he used Lutheranism as the chief example of the unio mystica that contrasted sharply with the ascetic posture. Later he would associate "Luther, the symbolic exponent of bureaucratic despotism, with the ascetic hostility to Eros — an example of Weber's sporadic tendency to link together bureaucratic and ascetic modes of life and to oppose both from mystical and aristocratic perspectives." However, Weber saw the fulfillment of the Protestant ethic not in Lutheranism, which was too concerned with the reception of divine spirit in the soul, but in Calvinistic forms of Christianity.[6]: 32–33 The trend was carried further still in Pietism.

spiralx 4y ago
The US definitely has always had a strong Calvinist bent to it and there's been discussion of the increasing influence of Calvinist thought amongst Evangelism in recent times - see "creeping Calvinism" as it's been called: http://targuman.org/2016/07/21/seeking-comfort-in-crisis-creeping-calvinism/ http://targuman.org/2016/07/21/seeking-comfort-in-crisis-cre... https://www.reformation21.org/mos/1517/creeping-calvinism https://www.reformation21.org/mos/1517/creeping-calvinism
luckylion 4y ago
Interesting, thank you for pointing out that it wasn't necessarily about protestants in general. Which does beg the question though: given that Germany isn't Calvinist, and we still have founder worship, is Calvinism really the reason founders are worshiped in the US?