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> All those vaccines were said to prevent getting a symptomatic covid infection and also prevent the spread. Right, this is nonsense. You claim "lies", but you

> All those vaccines were said to prevent getting a symptomatic covid infection and also prevent the spread. Right, this is nonsense. You claim "lies", but you're parroting lies yourself and spreading dangerous misinformation. Let's have some sources to back up these extraordinary claims. Show us where medical authorities or the drug companies themselves ever claimed that the vaccines would "prevent getting a symptomatic covid infection" or "prevent the spread". The original data presented never showed that the vaccines would prevent symptomatic infections or completely prevent transmission.

drno123 4y ago
How do you interpret this, if not that the vaccines are 90% effective in preventing getting a covid infection, by CDC which is a medical authority? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1262334 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1262334
- chimprich 4y ago
  I interpret that as them being 90% effective in preventing symptomatic infection, for a specific period after vaccination, against the variants that were circulating at the time. That's not a lie: that's what the data showed. I don't believe that's been contradicted since. No one claimed they were perfect at preventing symptomatic infection. The ability of the vaccines to eliminate symptomatic infection reduced over time, but that's not because the authorities were lying about it. That's just the evolution of the virus and waning immunity.
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    > DR. ROCHELLE WALENSKY, CDC DIRECTOR > And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world data. https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442 https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc...
    - chimprich 4y ago
      Oh good grief. That's a transcript of a real-time interview. People speak colloquially in ways that are not precise. Is that the best you can come up with?
      - thunky 4y ago
        It's the fucking director of the CDC. Precision is not optional, not for her, not on this subject. She also said: "We're just almost there, but not quite yet. And so I'm asking you to just hold on a little longer to get vaccinated when you can, so that all of those people that we all love will still be here when this pandemic ends.” Give me a break.
      - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
        Oh come on... this is not some physicst on a kids show, explaining how GPS works and skipping relativity.... ...This is the director of CDC in a time of a huge pandemic and also a time when semi-mandatory vaccination policies were implemented everywhere, telling people directly, that if you get vaccinated, you won't carry the virus and/or get sick. This is (was) no time for imprecise explanations, it was a time when you were literally getting forced to get vaccinated so you wouldn't get sick and transmit it to coworkers.
        chimprich 4y ago
        > telling people directly, that if you get vaccinated, you won't carry the virus and/or get sick As a high level description, getting vaccinated means you won't get sick is not an unreasonable explanation, given they were 90%+ effective at the time in reducing symptoms. > you were literally getting forced to get vaccinated Really. Which country is this where literal forced vaccination was carried out? I don't believe any Western country implemented this. You appear to be spreading blatant lies while whinging about slight imprecision in a single transcript of a real-time interview.
        ajsnigrutin 4y ago

drno123 4y ago

How do you interpret this, if not that the vaccines are 90% effective in preventing getting a covid infection, by CDC which is a medical authority? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1262334 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1262334

chimprich 4y ago
I interpret that as them being 90% effective in preventing symptomatic infection, for a specific period after vaccination, against the variants that were circulating at the time. That's not a lie: that's what the data showed. I don't believe that's been contradicted since. No one claimed they were perfect at preventing symptomatic infection. The ability of the vaccines to eliminate symptomatic infection reduced over time, but that's not because the authorities were lying about it. That's just the evolution of the virus and waning immunity.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  > DR. ROCHELLE WALENSKY, CDC DIRECTOR > And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world data. https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442 https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc...
  - chimprich 4y ago
    Oh good grief. That's a transcript of a real-time interview. People speak colloquially in ways that are not precise. Is that the best you can come up with?
    - thunky 4y ago
      It's the fucking director of the CDC. Precision is not optional, not for her, not on this subject. She also said: "We're just almost there, but not quite yet. And so I'm asking you to just hold on a little longer to get vaccinated when you can, so that all of those people that we all love will still be here when this pandemic ends.” Give me a break.
    - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
      Oh come on... this is not some physicst on a kids show, explaining how GPS works and skipping relativity.... ...This is the director of CDC in a time of a huge pandemic and also a time when semi-mandatory vaccination policies were implemented everywhere, telling people directly, that if you get vaccinated, you won't carry the virus and/or get sick. This is (was) no time for imprecise explanations, it was a time when you were literally getting forced to get vaccinated so you wouldn't get sick and transmit it to coworkers.
      - chimprich 4y ago
        > telling people directly, that if you get vaccinated, you won't carry the virus and/or get sick As a high level description, getting vaccinated means you won't get sick is not an unreasonable explanation, given they were 90%+ effective at the time in reducing symptoms. > you were literally getting forced to get vaccinated Really. Which country is this where literal forced vaccination was carried out? I don't believe any Western country implemented this. You appear to be spreading blatant lies while whinging about slight imprecision in a single transcript of a real-time interview.
        ajsnigrutin 4y ago