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Did you miss the part where I said Freckle has integration points for github & beanstalk? You can log time from your commit messages.

j45 15y ago
I didn't miss it. I'm just not sure what you said fits the context of my original post. Freckle looks nice. I'm not sure if Freckle has a similar contractor mechanism to Freshbooks to create a funnel to collect hours from multiple internal and external sources, but keep them separate. And that, is one of the key integration points to save management and admin time for freelancing, contracting, consulting and startups, especially when you have a flood of projects and bill out on each one individually. I'm not super hot on Freshbooks, but it does a few things that are critical better than anything I've found. I've worked with almost every major accounting package in the last 15 years, integrating many of them with many systems. Right from a basic to Enterprise ERP level. Accpac, SAP, quicken, quickbooks, myob, Peachtree, Simply, BusinessVision and more. I'm that guy who gets thrown down many accounting integration wells working both in manufacturing and service industries. What's the point? My post was about a working system where my business has projects, and time put on those projects for by internal employees and outside contractors, a common setup for programming shops, and startups. A subtle, but huge difference. I get invoices from my contractors. I get time sheets from employees. I need to collect and tracking time both as an aggregate and separately. Lots of small issues pop up though. My contractor bills me at one rate, I manage his time and the project and bill that same time at a higher rate to the customer. Things get a little more complex than a straight billing system. Adding to the fun, quite often startups do some consulting work on the side to supplement / customize their software. Committing time from a command line doesn't do it for my business. It probably would be a feature that's very, super convenient and sweet for just myself, though. I love stuff like that! Since I am out to own a business, and not a job I can't quit (A business is something that runs without us), it's what's behind my thought, decisions, and direction. I hope this clears it up a little. :)

j45 15y ago

I didn't miss it. I'm just not sure what you said fits the context of my original post. Freckle looks nice. I'm not sure if Freckle has a similar contractor mechanism to Freshbooks to create a funnel to collect hours from multiple internal and external sources, but keep them separate. And that, is one of the key integration points to save management and admin time for freelancing, contracting, consulting and startups, especially when you have a flood of projects and bill out on each one individually. I'm not super hot on Freshbooks, but it does a few things that are critical better than anything I've found. I've worked with almost every major accounting package in the last 15 years, integrating many of them with many systems. Right from a basic to Enterprise ERP level. Accpac, SAP, quicken, quickbooks, myob, Peachtree, Simply, BusinessVision and more. I'm that guy who gets thrown down many accounting integration wells working both in manufacturing and service industries. What's the point? My post was about a working system where my business has projects, and time put on those projects for by internal employees and outside contractors, a common setup for programming shops, and startups. A subtle, but huge difference. I get invoices from my contractors. I get time sheets from employees. I need to collect and tracking time both as an aggregate and separately. Lots of small issues pop up though. My contractor bills me at one rate, I manage his time and the project and bill that same time at a higher rate to the customer. Things get a little more complex than a straight billing system. Adding to the fun, quite often startups do some consulting work on the side to supplement / customize their software. Committing time from a command line doesn't do it for my business. It probably would be a feature that's very, super convenient and sweet for just myself, though. I love stuff like that! Since I am out to own a business, and not a job I can't quit (A business is something that runs without us), it's what's behind my thought, decisions, and direction. I hope this clears it up a little. :)