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For some context as we discuss this: The pandemic (any pandemic really) is an existential disaster for the libertarian right, for it invalidates their ideology

For some context as we discuss this: The pandemic (any pandemic really) is an existential disaster for the libertarian right, for it invalidates their ideology that people should be allowed to do whatever they like and somehow it will all work out for the best [for me]. Thus their response is (and really can only be) two fold: 1) deny that it is happening, and if that fails 2) deny that there is anything that can be done about it anyway - by undermining, obstructing, and discrediting the attempts by the rest of us to deal with it. Posts here should be understood in that light. Indeed, we can already see a mix of denialism (people are fatter nowadays) and obstructionism (it was the vaccines/lockdowns that did it)

gruez 4y ago
>The pandemic (any pandemic really) is an existential disaster for the libertarian right, for it invalidates their ideology that people should be allowed to do whatever they like and somehow it will all work out for the best [for me]. I think you're declaring victory a bit too early here. There's one specific instance where an ideology failed and it's "an existential disaster"? Given how poorly western countries handled covid compared to asian countries (at least during the initial stages), should we say that covid was "an existential disaster" for western democracies? Given the political unrest in the US from 2020 to 2021, should we say that it was "an existential disaster" for US democracy?
- collyw 4y ago
  Asian countries were doing fine until the "vaccine" roll out.
bovinyl 4y ago
> is an existential disaster for the libertarian right That's strange cause I see it as a disaster for authoritarians, technocrats and bureaucrats. They've truly lost the trust of the public and revealed themselves to be nothing more than hubristic level-pullers and demagogues. Fauci lied throughout the entire pandemic. He handled it horribly. The death toll happened under his authority. Let me guess: the public health establishment shouldn't be blamed for the absolute atrocious health of the average American? Even worse he claimed his inept plans were being sabotaged or ignored by scapegoating Trump. This couldn't be further from the truth: he had complete control, rallying people behind the scenes to squash opponents & was illegally censoring people left and right through the fascist cooperation of federal govt and private corporations.

gruez 4y ago

>The pandemic (any pandemic really) is an existential disaster for the libertarian right, for it invalidates their ideology that people should be allowed to do whatever they like and somehow it will all work out for the best [for me]. I think you're declaring victory a bit too early here. There's one specific instance where an ideology failed and it's "an existential disaster"? Given how poorly western countries handled covid compared to asian countries (at least during the initial stages), should we say that covid was "an existential disaster" for western democracies? Given the political unrest in the US from 2020 to 2021, should we say that it was "an existential disaster" for US democracy?

collyw 4y ago
Asian countries were doing fine until the "vaccine" roll out.

bovinyl 4y ago

> is an existential disaster for the libertarian right That's strange cause I see it as a disaster for authoritarians, technocrats and bureaucrats. They've truly lost the trust of the public and revealed themselves to be nothing more than hubristic level-pullers and demagogues. Fauci lied throughout the entire pandemic. He handled it horribly. The death toll happened under his authority. Let me guess: the public health establishment shouldn't be blamed for the absolute atrocious health of the average American? Even worse he claimed his inept plans were being sabotaged or ignored by scapegoating Trump. This couldn't be further from the truth: he had complete control, rallying people behind the scenes to squash opponents & was illegally censoring people left and right through the fascist cooperation of federal govt and private corporations.