4 ms·

A little off topic but I don't see how it makes any financial sense to have children. In fact, I'd say it ought to be recognized as downright criminal to have t

by pooper 4y ago

A little off topic but I don't see how it makes any financial sense to have children. In fact, I'd say it ought to be recognized as downright criminal to have too many children (I'd say more than two biological children over a lifetime is too many for anyone born in the late eighties or later) for people like me who are t worth millions of dollars. Boomers will say oh children don't cost a lot of money. They just need your love. They think I don't want children. Nothing could be farther from the truth and yet it makes no sense to have children for the vast majority of millennials and beyond.

xyzelement 4y ago
Having children has always an expression of optimistic faith. People had kids during War time, during cold war, during various periods of prosecution, post 9-11, etc. I had my kids during COVID (2020, 2023) and I would love to have more. You can always point to something as a cause for "no, people shouldn't have kids" and that has always been true but the world belongs to people whose parents didn't think that way :) The financial thing is a ridiculous premise anyway. There are plenty of people for example in the religious communities who have 5+ or even 10+ kids and those kids are raised healthy, good and educated - all on modest incomes.
- pooper 4y ago
  > The financial thing is a ridiculous premise anyway. There are plenty of people for example in the religious communities who have 5+ or even 10+ kids and those kids are raised healthy, good and educated - all on modest incomes. Some people have to have children. I'm not opposed to other people having some children. What I am saying is there is not enough community support for everyone to have children. It is unhealthy for our society that some people have ten plus children and some have none. There should be an upper bound to how many biological children someone can have (my suggestion is two, maybe three but no more). There should be more support for all parents and children (no income/wealth cap or risk eligibility). You can still choose to not have children or have fewer than the upper bound.
  - xyzelement 4y ago
    // What I am saying is there is not enough community support for everyone to have children. It is unhealthy for our society that some people have ten plus children and some have none. This is crazy. If you want to have more kids, have more kids. I support you. If you don't have the community, invest in community. I support you. What is ridiculous is to limit others who have arranged their life for family based on limitations of those who haven't.
spaceman_2020 4y ago
The financial cost only seems higher because people are having fewer kids, and thus, treat the ones they have with a lot more care. There’s nothing fundamentally expensive about raising kids.

by pooper 4y ago

xyzelement 4y ago

Having children has always an expression of optimistic faith. People had kids during War time, during cold war, during various periods of prosecution, post 9-11, etc. I had my kids during COVID (2020, 2023) and I would love to have more. You can always point to something as a cause for "no, people shouldn't have kids" and that has always been true but the world belongs to people whose parents didn't think that way :) The financial thing is a ridiculous premise anyway. There are plenty of people for example in the religious communities who have 5+ or even 10+ kids and those kids are raised healthy, good and educated - all on modest incomes.

pooper 4y ago
> The financial thing is a ridiculous premise anyway. There are plenty of people for example in the religious communities who have 5+ or even 10+ kids and those kids are raised healthy, good and educated - all on modest incomes. Some people have to have children. I'm not opposed to other people having some children. What I am saying is there is not enough community support for everyone to have children. It is unhealthy for our society that some people have ten plus children and some have none. There should be an upper bound to how many biological children someone can have (my suggestion is two, maybe three but no more). There should be more support for all parents and children (no income/wealth cap or risk eligibility). You can still choose to not have children or have fewer than the upper bound.
- xyzelement 4y ago
  // What I am saying is there is not enough community support for everyone to have children. It is unhealthy for our society that some people have ten plus children and some have none. This is crazy. If you want to have more kids, have more kids. I support you. If you don't have the community, invest in community. I support you. What is ridiculous is to limit others who have arranged their life for family based on limitations of those who haven't.

spaceman_2020 4y ago

The financial cost only seems higher because people are having fewer kids, and thus, treat the ones they have with a lot more care. There’s nothing fundamentally expensive about raising kids.