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I don’t understand why you presume woz had a responsibility to ”take a care of his wife”?

by fsloth 4y ago

dist1ll 4y ago
People in a romantic relationship usually take care of each other.
- rwalle 4y ago
  Yeah. It would never occur to me to ask such a question. I guess time has changed and people will find problem in each and every sentence.
  - fsloth 4y ago
    In context of ”the husband has potentially dangerous quirky hobbies, should he stop them or not”, not ”it’s ok to go ahead and ruin your familys finances” - the latter is not really a realistic scenario here.
NikolaNovak 4y ago
In most western marriages, people agree to take care of each other, frequently explicitly as part of their ceremony. Source: attended 100+ weddings as a photographer.
- fsloth 4y ago
  Maybe it’s my nordic background where people value independence (perhaps patholohically so). In general if a husband had any moderately dangerous hobbies it would sound a bit weird where I’m from that they stopped them just because they got married and had kids. And if they had apprehended Woz he would probably had a lawyer to bail him out and smooth things over. So coming from these two directions the argument that fooling around was somehow traitorous behaviour towards his wife sounded really odd.
  - NikolaNovak 4y ago
    Right. I just don't know if "giving a fake Id to secret service " counts As a"pre-existing hobby" :-)
    - fsloth 4y ago
      It’s Woz, I think it counts :)
  - ericmay 4y ago
    In American marriages and maybe this is a general Anglosphere cultural tradition you’re expected to provide and sacrifice if need be for your family (including spouse/kids). So if you had a hobby of, idk, drag racing cars it might be expected you give that up in some marriages, though certainly not all. Also if you have a child your hobby can wind up leaving your spouse with sole child responsibilities which typically falls on the mother. So you wind up with a father who works and then does their hobby, and you end up with a mom that also works and their hobby becomes raising a child. This can cut both ways or course. I think I was listening to a world-famous rock climber who had toned down their extreme sports adventures (toned down for them) because they didn’t want to die and leave their spouse and child without a father over the pursuit of a hobby. So it’s a maturity thing too.
    - fsloth 4y ago
      Most definetly, maturity and actual level of danger. I don’t think anything Woz has done is moderately dangerous. If they wanted to lock him up I’m sure he could call to a competent lawyer and state he is a respectable citizen who co-founded the friggin Apple. Woz has an extremely long history of egging people of authority and I don’t think he’s ever been to court from those escapades (please correct me if I’m wrong).
      - hnfong 4y ago
        Maybe you're right that his actual risk is non-existent because some people are more equal than others. I would hope we're not in such a world though.

I don’t understand why you presume woz had a responsibility to ”take a care of his wife”?

by fsloth 4y ago

I don’t understand why you presume woz had a responsibility to ”take a care of his wife”?

dist1ll 4y ago

People in a romantic relationship usually take care of each other.

rwalle 4y ago
Yeah. It would never occur to me to ask such a question. I guess time has changed and people will find problem in each and every sentence.
- fsloth 4y ago
  In context of ”the husband has potentially dangerous quirky hobbies, should he stop them or not”, not ”it’s ok to go ahead and ruin your familys finances” - the latter is not really a realistic scenario here.

NikolaNovak 4y ago

In most western marriages, people agree to take care of each other, frequently explicitly as part of their ceremony. Source: attended 100+ weddings as a photographer.

fsloth 4y ago
Maybe it’s my nordic background where people value independence (perhaps patholohically so). In general if a husband had any moderately dangerous hobbies it would sound a bit weird where I’m from that they stopped them just because they got married and had kids. And if they had apprehended Woz he would probably had a lawyer to bail him out and smooth things over. So coming from these two directions the argument that fooling around was somehow traitorous behaviour towards his wife sounded really odd.
- NikolaNovak 4y ago
  Right. I just don't know if "giving a fake Id to secret service " counts As a"pre-existing hobby" :-)
  - fsloth 4y ago
    It’s Woz, I think it counts :)
- ericmay 4y ago
  In American marriages and maybe this is a general Anglosphere cultural tradition you’re expected to provide and sacrifice if need be for your family (including spouse/kids). So if you had a hobby of, idk, drag racing cars it might be expected you give that up in some marriages, though certainly not all. Also if you have a child your hobby can wind up leaving your spouse with sole child responsibilities which typically falls on the mother. So you wind up with a father who works and then does their hobby, and you end up with a mom that also works and their hobby becomes raising a child. This can cut both ways or course. I think I was listening to a world-famous rock climber who had toned down their extreme sports adventures (toned down for them) because they didn’t want to die and leave their spouse and child without a father over the pursuit of a hobby. So it’s a maturity thing too.
  - fsloth 4y ago
    Most definetly, maturity and actual level of danger. I don’t think anything Woz has done is moderately dangerous. If they wanted to lock him up I’m sure he could call to a competent lawyer and state he is a respectable citizen who co-founded the friggin Apple. Woz has an extremely long history of egging people of authority and I don’t think he’s ever been to court from those escapades (please correct me if I’m wrong).
    - hnfong 4y ago
      Maybe you're right that his actual risk is non-existent because some people are more equal than others. I would hope we're not in such a world though.