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I mean, it's cute but I'm pretty sure most DIYers own a drill. Or wood glue. "A bunch of holes in a matrix" is useful if say you're designing a wall where you

by ilyt 4y ago

I mean, it's cute but I'm pretty sure most DIYers own a drill. Or wood glue. "A bunch of holes in a matrix" is useful if say you're designing a wall where you want to attach different things at different positions, but for anything else permanent you can just... buy the raw stock and drill them at exact spot you need My experience with something smaller scale (Makerbeam, screws used to press fit instead of holes so it can be screwed together at near-any position, not just at hole position) is that in the end it's nice to prototype but there will be inevitably either too short or too long piece and when you need to start cutting them the benefits go out of the window Having holes everywhere isn't also great from furniture perspective, harder to clean and might not exactly be aesthetically pleasing

morsch 4y ago
I'm not a DIYer and I don't own a drill. Having something like this be widely available and affordable would be a game changer for me.
- justsomehnguy 4y ago
  >don't own a drill Power drill is $50 and would serve you at least 10 years and is a must for any home. Hand saw is enough. >affordable Pre-drilled set can't be cheap, that's the catch. $15 for a meter of beam? Ridiculous.
  - morsch 4y ago
    I borrowed a friend's drill for a week when I moved in and had to use it like twice. I haven't missed it since. What you consider a must is just stuff taking up space for me. I'll buy one when I need it. And I'm not going to start building my own furniture with a saw and a drill. I wish I had that kind of time or energy, there's a thousand things I'd do if I had. I'm pretty sure pre drilled sets could be cheap with the right economy of scale. I doubt it'll get there, though.
    - ilyt 4y ago
      > And I'm not going to start building my own furniture with a saw and a drill And you wont with that. You will buy it, maybe build 2 things, then decide they are fucking ugly and buy something off ikea, putting the holey sticks back into the box and never touching them again. Then complain they were more expensive than the ikea thing.
- Enginerrrd 4y ago
  This type of thing is already available, in many different forms. https://www.grainger.com/category/electrical/conduit-fittings-strut-channel-framing/strut-channel-components https://www.grainger.com/category/electrical/conduit-fitting...
elil17 4y ago
I use 80/20 (this is a version 80/20 ready tube with a wooden option) all the time at work to build temporary (and sometimes permanent) desks, tables, cabinets, and test stands. There are a few advantages of predrilled hardware like this: 1) Holes always line up (don’t need to worry about drilling off-center) 2) only one tool needed (bandsaw to cut to length), reduces how many people need to get safety training on other tools 3) compatibility across a wide variety of components (brackets, rollers, etc) 4) quickly reposition furniture without the need for any power tools 5) no measuring, just count holes I would view this as having a few applications for home use: 1) anyone who moves frequently - easy to flat pack everything, easy to customize for a new space 2) Anyone may want to build temporary for various projects (e.g. sewing table this month, drafting table the next) Not sure about cleaning for home applications. At work we just spray everything down but perhaps you could use grommets.
- ilyt 4y ago
  80/20 and other T/V slotted things seems like better approach for system like that
  - convolvatron 4y ago
    I've started collecting a system of 1" steel tube (sadly now 3USD/ft). make little 90 degree clamps out of 1 1/4 tube (w/ 1/8 walls) that have been cut down the middle the long way. weld little flanges on em and tap one side. now you can pretty much go wild. desktop? throw some of the 1 1/4 on the bottom and you can just plug in the legs. monitor? make a bracket with a 10cm x 10cm vest plate welded on. wall panels in wood or steel with 1" backing frames? make some clamps with 2 1/2 and 1/4 wall tube the 1/16 wall tube is fairly easy to cut with a manual hacksaw. get a portaband if you are spending too much time. I really do think everyone is easily capable of learning to do this kind of work with a minimal investment of time and tooling and really can't imagine why people don't just make their own shelving and other basic furniture.
    - elil17 4y ago
      It does have a higher first cost. You can buy a cheap Ikea desk for $50. Building the same thing out of 8020 would cost you over $60 just for the extrusion. Than you would need fasteners, a tabletop, etc. Or you could just buy a nicer looking/more durable commercially available desk for that money. Unless of course you have a specific need for that flexibility/reuseability.
TOGoS 4y ago
> I mean, it's cute but I'm pretty sure most DIYers own a drill. Or wood glue. I do, and I use them to make gridbeam.

by ilyt 4y ago

morsch 4y ago

I'm not a DIYer and I don't own a drill. Having something like this be widely available and affordable would be a game changer for me.

justsomehnguy 4y ago
>don't own a drill Power drill is $50 and would serve you at least 10 years and is a must for any home. Hand saw is enough. >affordable Pre-drilled set can't be cheap, that's the catch. $15 for a meter of beam? Ridiculous.
- morsch 4y ago
  I borrowed a friend's drill for a week when I moved in and had to use it like twice. I haven't missed it since. What you consider a must is just stuff taking up space for me. I'll buy one when I need it. And I'm not going to start building my own furniture with a saw and a drill. I wish I had that kind of time or energy, there's a thousand things I'd do if I had. I'm pretty sure pre drilled sets could be cheap with the right economy of scale. I doubt it'll get there, though.
  - ilyt 4y ago
    > And I'm not going to start building my own furniture with a saw and a drill And you wont with that. You will buy it, maybe build 2 things, then decide they are fucking ugly and buy something off ikea, putting the holey sticks back into the box and never touching them again. Then complain they were more expensive than the ikea thing.
Enginerrrd 4y ago
This type of thing is already available, in many different forms. https://www.grainger.com/category/electrical/conduit-fittings-strut-channel-framing/strut-channel-components https://www.grainger.com/category/electrical/conduit-fitting...

elil17 4y ago

I use 80/20 (this is a version 80/20 ready tube with a wooden option) all the time at work to build temporary (and sometimes permanent) desks, tables, cabinets, and test stands. There are a few advantages of predrilled hardware like this: 1) Holes always line up (don’t need to worry about drilling off-center) 2) only one tool needed (bandsaw to cut to length), reduces how many people need to get safety training on other tools 3) compatibility across a wide variety of components (brackets, rollers, etc) 4) quickly reposition furniture without the need for any power tools 5) no measuring, just count holes I would view this as having a few applications for home use: 1) anyone who moves frequently - easy to flat pack everything, easy to customize for a new space 2) Anyone may want to build temporary for various projects (e.g. sewing table this month, drafting table the next) Not sure about cleaning for home applications. At work we just spray everything down but perhaps you could use grommets.

ilyt 4y ago
80/20 and other T/V slotted things seems like better approach for system like that
- convolvatron 4y ago
  I've started collecting a system of 1" steel tube (sadly now 3USD/ft). make little 90 degree clamps out of 1 1/4 tube (w/ 1/8 walls) that have been cut down the middle the long way. weld little flanges on em and tap one side. now you can pretty much go wild. desktop? throw some of the 1 1/4 on the bottom and you can just plug in the legs. monitor? make a bracket with a 10cm x 10cm vest plate welded on. wall panels in wood or steel with 1" backing frames? make some clamps with 2 1/2 and 1/4 wall tube the 1/16 wall tube is fairly easy to cut with a manual hacksaw. get a portaband if you are spending too much time. I really do think everyone is easily capable of learning to do this kind of work with a minimal investment of time and tooling and really can't imagine why people don't just make their own shelving and other basic furniture.
  - elil17 4y ago
    It does have a higher first cost. You can buy a cheap Ikea desk for $50. Building the same thing out of 8020 would cost you over $60 just for the extrusion. Than you would need fasteners, a tabletop, etc. Or you could just buy a nicer looking/more durable commercially available desk for that money. Unless of course you have a specific need for that flexibility/reuseability.

TOGoS 4y ago

> I mean, it's cute but I'm pretty sure most DIYers own a drill. Or wood glue. I do, and I use them to make gridbeam.